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#2871259 19-Feb-2022 11:27

The vilification and extreme rhetoric often has consequences.
At very least it makes protestors more likely to be violent rather than the peaceful non co-operation that many protests have.
Nurenburg trials. Right to overthrow Government rather than use the ballot box at an election not far away.
The evangelical doing gods will along with extreme demonization.

Then you have worse, the result creator of rhetoric is looking for, but of course nothing to do with them.
Rinse and repeat.

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#2871261 19-Feb-2022 11:28

Technofreak:

Covid will likely rip through that gathering of people like a dose of salts. Sure for many it may be "just a cold" but for others it will be quite a wake up call which hopefully gets the message across and at the same time causes the occupiers to move out.

I don't like wishing ill on anyone but sometimes just like a little child you have to let them get hurt to figure out for themselves that somethings in life will hurt them.

IDK my main concern is in the case the protest does become a super-spreader issue, there's a lot of people from different parts of the country who may take it back with them, inflicting further harm on those communities.

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#2871385 19-Feb-2022 16:22

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The only real losers here are the millions of Kiwis who obeyed lockdown mandates, went without seeing family or friends and tried to cope with repeated lockdowns while these idiots did what they want and continue to do what they want without fear of consequence.

Turns out we could have just done what we wanted this whole time.

That sums it up. We're currently at settings where masks are supposed to be worn and gatherings limited to 100. By allowing this gathering to continue for so long with no consequence makes a mockery of the rules and essentially tells us they don't apply and never have.

So many people have missed out on things by obeying the rules and it turns out they didn't need to. Personally I couldn't have my brother and best man at my wedding. Then when my father in law suddenly got ill and was made palliative during last year's level 4 we were told we weren't allowed to visit him. Then once he passed away we were told we couldn't have a funeral either. Turns out we could have just said we were protesting the rules and then done whatever we wanted.

Now seeing on the live updates that the Cenotaph war memorial has been defaced with graffiti and turned into a bathroom. So the so called "freedom" protesters have now taken to vandalising a memorial for people who literally gave their lives for these people's freedom.

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#2871391 19-Feb-2022 16:41

Imo many of these people have been obeying the rules to a large extent. Gathering all together in one place creates a kind of groupthink.

If there is any consensus in the protest - that consensus is no masks at any time ever. Zero and almost zero wearing masks in every video and news report I see.

When I hear Luxon say there are 'very good' people at the protest, ok yeah maybe. Those 'very good' people are not acting with any concern for others or the wider community in this regard.

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#2871418 19-Feb-2022 17:56

invisibleman18: That sums it up. We're currently at settings where masks are supposed to be worn and gatherings limited to 100. By allowing this gathering to continue for so long with no consequence makes a mockery of the rules and essentially tells us they don't apply and never have.

So many people have missed out on things by obeying the rules and it turns out they didn't need to. Personally I couldn't have my brother and best man at my wedding. Then when my father in law suddenly got ill and was made palliative during last year's level 4 we were told we weren't allowed to visit him. Then once he passed away we were told we couldn't have a funeral either. Turns out we could have just said we were protesting the rules and then done whatever we wanted.

This is patently incorrect logic.

You obeyed the rules for the health of your family and friends, workmates and fellow kiwis who have obviously reaped the benefit. You (almost certainly) didn't do it because you thought you'd end up in prison or financially punished (though it may have been a secondary consideration. The actions of these people now do not negate your actions or the benefits you have from them. I am not defending their actions, but you need to understand the difference. If a small number of people (and it is a small number % wise) don't adhere to the rules, we are still better off with the majority doing so.

Most of these people probably have obeyed the lockdown restrictions to some standard or other (Given neither the primary or delta variant got a very good grip and our death toll was low). 1000 people flaunting the rules would have been pretty obvious.

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#2871420 19-Feb-2022 18:15

Seems the police are towing some cars. Some are being moved 'willingly' by their owners.

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#2871434 19-Feb-2022 18:45

networkn:

I don't agree with the weight you are putting on the threats against our democracy. We aren't America, our culture is very different. What happened in Jan 2021 in the US has been brewing for a very very long time. It's pretty much always been there, and it's part of the core of the American physche tied to their 'rights', and the rest of it. Whilst there is a very very small fringe of people here who subscribe to that, it's far from even remotely pervasive here. Having said that, there is growing discontent at how the Government has handled elements of this pandemic, which is pretty normal since many people have had their lives turned upside down for a long period of time. (Not saying it's entirely avoidable). As for the other groups who have attached themselves and how many of the original group are left, guessing isn't good enough (and leads to assumptions and incorrect conclusions), I'd like to know if anyone actually knows for sure what the makeup of the group is.

The same radicalised elements are there as in America and they are exhibiting the same behaviours. A week ago they tried to invade parliament to arrest the prime minister.

It's three years since a facist terrorist attack that no one ever thought would happen in NZ. The same people who thought that was great are all over this, Arps, Kyle Chapman, The National Front.

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#2871444 19-Feb-2022 19:25

and this crew...

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#2871446 19-Feb-2022 19:30

Him too

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#2871448 19-Feb-2022 19:33

Safer communities together.

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#2871449 19-Feb-2022 19:39

Waatea News: Tame Iti: “I can understand some sentimental stuff there, I can see that, but I will not go there and be used because that’s all it is. Guys like Kelvyn Alp are very smart – well he thinks he’s a smart fellow – he doesn’t go into the front so he’s kind of at the back there,” Mr Iti says.

He’s triple-vaxed for his own health and the health of his community.

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#2871463 19-Feb-2022 21:28

Rider in Christchurch Destiny bike parade says he was not there by choice - duped.

Stuff: Led by around 100 motorbikes and Destiny Church pastor Derek Tait, the protest blocked Cambridge Terrace and caused an altercation between a bystander and protestors.

One biker who was present at the rally said Destiny Church had “duped” him and other bikers into riding in the parade on the pretence they were riding in a pre-organised “earthquake memorial ride”. He wanted to make it clear he was not there by choice.

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#2871487 20-Feb-2022 01:50

Some of the protesters seem like thugs...

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#2871837 21-Feb-2022 10:22

If protesters lay hands on police, smear poop on them or tear off masks, then whatever reasonable force the police employ to contain it and arrest those people is 100% fine with me. Whilst I don't think this protest is the same end of democracy scenario that some seem to be it could be, it's an outrageous way to behave and I hope they throw the book at everyone who is directly involved.

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#2871979 21-Feb-2022 13:03

The "anti mandate" protest organisers now want to "impose" mandates of their own for the benefit of the protesters as a whole.

Hmmmmm The irony of it all. Pity that they won't see that.

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