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#1947110 26-Jan-2018 12:08

If you are English or want to speak English that is excellent, but please do not push it or try and force on those of us that do not want to be part of it.

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#1947116 26-Jan-2018 12:28

Pumpedd:

If you are Maori or want to speak Te Reo that is excellent, but please do not push it or try and force on those of us that do not want to be part of it.

I have news for you, whether you like it or not, Maori is an official language of NZ as a result of a legitimately passed law by the Parliament of NZ. As a Chinese NZer, I for one am more than happy with it being pushed, for all kinds of very good reasons, not the least of all that it gets people like you in a twist.

Ha!

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#1947123 26-Jan-2018 12:41

dejadeadnz:

Pumpedd:

If you are Maori or want to speak Te Reo that is excellent, but please do not push it or try and force on those of us that do not want to be part of it.

I have news for you, whether you like it or not, Maori is an official language of NZ as a result of a legitimately passed law by the Parliament of NZ. As a Chinese NZer, I for one am more than happy with it being pushed, for all kinds of very good reasons, not the least of all that it gets people like you in a twist.

Ha!

It doesnt get me in a twist as I choose to avoid it as it offers no value, but it may offer value to you which is good.

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#1947133 26-Jan-2018 13:08

Why don't they teach sign language in schools? It's also one of the official languages of NZ isn't it?

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#1947235 26-Jan-2018 16:35

Pumpedd:

dejadeadnz:

Pumpedd:

If you are Maori or want to speak Te Reo that is excellent, but please do not push it or try and force on those of us that do not want to be part of it.

I have news for you, whether you like it or not, Maori is an official language of NZ as a result of a legitimately passed law by the Parliament of NZ. As a Chinese NZer, I for one am more than happy with it being pushed, for all kinds of very good reasons, not the least of all that it gets people like you in a twist.

Ha!

It doesnt get me in a twist as I choose to avoid it as it offers no value, but it may offer value to you which is good.

Try it you may find you enjoy it , you use it now on a daily basis and it certainly enriches things knowing the meaning of what you are saying/writing. Trying will do no harm.

Here is a crazy notion, lets give peace a chance.

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#1947250 26-Jan-2018 17:06

Pumpedd:

It doesnt get me in a twist as I choose to avoid it as it offers no value, but it may offer value to you which is good.

I think you are being close-minded about this, which of course is your good right, but how can you know that something has no value to you if you never try it? Speaking another language - any language - does have value, and it makes sense to add a few Maori words to your vocabulary because that is a language that is already spoken here and has also worked its way into New Zealand English. I don't understand the aversion to it.

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#1947257 26-Jan-2018 17:28

Rikkitic:

Pumpedd:

It doesnt get me in a twist as I choose to avoid it as it offers no value, but it may offer value to you which is good.

I think you are being close-minded about this, which of course is your good right, but how can you know that something has no value to you if you never try it? Speaking another language - any language - does have value, and it makes sense to add a few Maori words to your vocabulary because that is a language that is already spoken here and has also worked its way into New Zealand English. I don't understand the aversion to it.

I'm always bemused by the 'don't force it on me' attitude. Less than 200 years ago, English moved en mass to Aotearoa, in doing so forcing the English language onto the native inhabitants. Apparently, no problem. Guy Espiner injects several seconds of Te Reo on radio each hour and, suddenly, we poor non Te Reo speakers are having it forced on us and all hell breaks loose. Go figure?

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#1947281 26-Jan-2018 18:09

Rikkitic:

I think you are being close-minded about this, which of course is your good right, but how can you know that something has no value to you if you never try it? Speaking another language - any language - does have value, and it makes sense to add a few Maori words to your vocabulary because that is a language that is already spoken here and has also worked its way into New Zealand English. I don't understand the aversion to it.

It's a plain and simple case of some perceived superiority for belonging to the majority and not wanting to be bothered by something that one has no interest in, nevermind the notion of showing some respect for the indigenous culture or just appreciating (note: not embracing -- I am sure you understand the difference but your average illiterate Kiwi probably does not) a culture that is unique to NZ. The good news is that people like Pumpedd tend to be closer to death than being young -- the world will eventually have less of these types of people.

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#1947296 26-Jan-2018 19:13

dejadeadnz:

... tend to be closer to death than being young -- the world will eventually have less of these types of people.

Yep, just look at the people behind the racist Hobsons Pledge ...

http://www.hobsonspledge.nz/who_we_are

What I find so encouraging is that there's no millennials, or anyone even closely resembling a millennial, fronting this group. These people represent the past, not the future, thankfully.

(slightly off-topic, oops).

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#1947301 26-Jan-2018 19:32

dafman:

dejadeadnz:

... tend to be closer to death than being young -- the world will eventually have less of these types of people.

Yep, just look at the people behind the racist Hobsons Pledge ...

http://www.hobsonspledge.nz/who_we_are

What I find so encouraging is that there's no millennials, or anyone even closely resembling a millennial, fronting this group. These people represent the past, not the future, thankfully.

(slightly off-topic, oops).

its not a matter of age but a matter of thought.

Here is a crazy notion, lets give peace a chance.

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#1947311 26-Jan-2018 20:25

MikeB4:

dafman:

dejadeadnz:

... tend to be closer to death than being young -- the world will eventually have less of these types of people.

Yep, just look at the people behind the racist Hobsons Pledge ...

http://www.hobsonspledge.nz/who_we_are

What I find so encouraging is that there's no millennials, or anyone even closely resembling a millennial, fronting this group. These people represent the past, not the future, thankfully.

(slightly off-topic, oops).

its not a matter of age but a matter of thought.

Fair point. And for the record, I'm neither millennial, nor even closely resembling one. My point re Hobsons Pledge is that it appears to be only the older generation, not the younger, supporting their racist agenda. But, thankfully, there are are also many of similar age who vehemently disagree with them.

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#1947313 26-Jan-2018 20:29

Rikkitic:

Pumpedd:

It doesnt get me in a twist as I choose to avoid it as it offers no value, but it may offer value to you which is good.

I think you are being close-minded about this, which of course is your good right, but how can you know that something has no value to you if you never try it? Speaking another language - any language - does have value, and it makes sense to add a few Maori words to your vocabulary because that is a language that is already spoken here and has also worked its way into New Zealand English. I don't understand the aversion to it.

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#1947314 26-Jan-2018 20:29

I assume you are fluent in it based on your response?

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#1947333 26-Jan-2018 20:52

Neither the logic of her stance nor moral consistency requires her to be fluent in Maori. It appears that critical thinking isn't a strength of yours. Try reading what she wrote again... slowly.

I'll give you a leg up (note the bits I've italicised for you):

peaking another language - any language - does have value, and it makes sense to add a few Maori words to your vocabulary because that is a language that is already spoken here and has also worked its way into New Zealand English.

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#1948144 29-Jan-2018 14:16

gzt:

I'm not sure how many pakeha are fluent or close enough in Te Reo. It would be a fair number.

According to census 2013 (data accessible from this page) 23,000 (4%) non-Maori claimed fluency in Te Reo vs 125,000 (21%) Maori.

If 148,000 was the population of an endemic species and spread across multiple locations, it would be considered a very viable population.

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