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#556427 10-Dec-2011 17:45

Vodafone started locking new phones about 2 -3 years ago, although they quickly stopped. I got mine arond that time and think it may still be locked, but I have only used it on vodafone network.
I don't really have a problem with it, as long it is made clear that it is locked, and can be unlocked. It is not really any different from paying a churn fee when changing ISP, or charging an early disconnection fee with an ISP if you move after 12 months.

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#556439 10-Dec-2011 18:17

z2k:
NonprayingMantis: as a general rule*, phones bought from XT will work no problems on Vodafone or 2Degrees networks.
As a general rule*, phones bought from Vodafone or 2Degrees will notwork on XT network.

To look at it that way, simlocking is simply an attempt at levelling the playing field (except it still isn't level because Skinny customers have the option of paying the $30 fee to get their handset to work on 2Degrees network if they want to switch. 2Degrees customers have no way of doing anything to get their handset to work on XT if they want to ditch 2Degrees.

(*Note that I said "general rule". there are,of course, some exceptions such as the iphone which is quad band 3G)

is everyone forgetting the fact that most 2degrees and Vodafone phones won't work on XT because of hardware restrictions where as Skinny locking a phone to its own network is an artificial restriction which stops you (the buyer) from doing something the phone was originally able to do?

No.

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#556458 10-Dec-2011 20:50

z2k:

is everyone forgetting the fact that most 2degrees and Vodafone phones won't work on XT because of hardware restrictions where as Skinny locking a phone to its own network is an artificial restriction which stops you (the buyer) from doing something the phone was originally able to do?

a lot of phones that vodafone sell here come in versions that work on telecoms network too. vodafone either chooses, or directs manufacturers to supply, models that dont work on telecom. a couple of exceptions would be the iphone and, in the past, the palm treos.

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#556469 10-Dec-2011 20:58

Regs:
z2k:

is everyone forgetting the fact that most 2degrees and Vodafone phones won't work on XT because of hardware restrictions where as Skinny locking a phone to its own network is an artificial restriction which stops you (the buyer) from doing something the phone was originally able to do?

a lot of phones that vodafone sell here come in versions that work on telecoms network too. vodafone either chooses, or directs manufacturers to supply, models that dont work on telecom. a couple of exceptions would be the iphone and, in the past, the palm treos.

Well considering it was a choice between 900MHz which they do have in a few places that dont matter or 850MHz which they dont have at all in NZ (but voda AU do) then I can see the logic in getting the phones with the 900MHz in them. Not working on telecom was just a happy side effect of it.

If they start to get phones that are available in quad or penta 3G versions and have them strip out the 850MHz then perhaps that could be attributed to mallace

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#556478 10-Dec-2011 21:22

Regs:
z2k:

is everyone forgetting the fact that most 2degrees and Vodafone phones won't work on XT because of hardware restrictions where as Skinny locking a phone to its own network is an artificial restriction which stops you (the buyer) from doing something the phone was originally able to do?

a lot of phones that vodafone sell here come in versions that work on telecoms network too.? vodafone either chooses, or directs manufacturers to supply, models that dont work on telecom.? a couple of exceptions would be the iphone and, in the past, the palm treos.

People upgrade so regually now, and handsets are so cheap, that locking isn't really that really that impartant these days. Also other countries lock their phones.

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#556488 10-Dec-2011 21:34

sbiddle:
ajw:
freitasm: Telecom built the network with the spectrum available.

With respect, part one of the Telecom exercise was 850 MHZ GSM and 2100MHZ for UMTS this was ditched about six months into the contract (and a waste of millions of dollars) for a dedicated 850/2100 3G network.
There are only three countries in the world that have this type of network.
TelecomNZ, Telstra Australia, and AT&T in the USA. Hence the higher cost of handsets and lack of handset choice. Please correct me if wrong.

Last I heard there were around 50 live 850MHz WCDMA networks in the world. Google hasn't helped me much in finding an exact number.

All of North America uses this (both USA and Canada) and most of the countries in South America also use this band. Smartel have also deployed 850Mhz in Hong Kong, Vodafone have deployed 850MHz in Aussie, 850Mhz is used in Thailand, and is also being deployed in some Eastern European markets. It's also expected that this band will eventually be used in the UK for mobile.

My statement was dedicated 850/2100 UMTS networks not dedicated 850 on its own or 2100 MHZ on its own.
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#556492 10-Dec-2011 21:42

ajw:
sbiddle:
ajw:
freitasm: Telecom built the network with the spectrum available.

With respect, part one of the Telecom exercise was 850 MHZ GSM and 2100MHZ for UMTS this was ditched about six months into the contract (and a waste of millions of dollars) for a dedicated 850/2100 3G network.
There are only three countries in the world that have this type of network.
TelecomNZ, Telstra Australia, and AT&T in the USA. Hence the higher cost of handsets and lack of handset choice. Please correct me if wrong.

Last I heard there were around 50 live 850MHz WCDMA networks in the world. Google hasn't helped me much in finding an exact number.

All of North America uses this (both USA and Canada) and most of the countries in South America also use this band. Smartel have also deployed 850Mhz in Hong Kong, Vodafone have deployed 850MHz in Aussie, 850Mhz is used in Thailand, and is also being deployed in some Eastern European markets. It's also expected that this band will eventually be used in the UK for mobile.

My statement was dedicated 850/2100 UMTS networks not dedicated 850 on its own or 2100 MHZ on its own.
Check out the link for your self

http://maps.mobileworldlive.com/

In that case remove AT&T then as their UMTS network is 850/1900

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#556493 10-Dec-2011 21:45

ajw:
sbiddle:
ajw:
freitasm: Telecom built the network with the spectrum available.

With respect, part one of the Telecom exercise was 850 MHZ GSM and 2100MHZ for UMTS this was ditched about six months into the contract (and a waste of millions of dollars) for a dedicated 850/2100 3G network.
There are only three countries in the world that have this type of network.
TelecomNZ, Telstra Australia, and AT&T in the USA. Hence the higher cost of handsets and lack of handset choice. Please correct me if wrong.

Last I heard there were around 50 live 850MHz WCDMA networks in the world. Google hasn't helped me much in finding an exact number.

All of North America uses this (both USA and Canada) and most of the countries in South America also use this band. Smartel have also deployed 850Mhz in Hong Kong, Vodafone have deployed 850MHz in Aussie, 850Mhz is used in Thailand, and is also being deployed in some Eastern European markets. It's also expected that this band will eventually be used in the UK for mobile.

My statement was dedicated 850/2100 UMTS networks not dedicated 850 on its own or 2100 MHZ on its own.
Check out the link for your self

http://maps.mobileworldlive.com/

And I listed a lot of the countries who have deployed 850MHz UMTS networks - it's not limited to 3 networks in 3 countries like you inferred. There are now millions and millions of users on 850MHz WCDMA networks globally.

The fact Telecom have deployed 2100Mhz means nothing - it's there purely for capacity since they own the management rights for the spectrum. 2100MHz band I isn't available in North America, or most of the South American countries that have deployed networks, so they can't use this for additional capacity. In North America and Canada only part of band I is available, hence the AWS 1700/2100 split for FDD.

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#556501 10-Dec-2011 22:06

Regs: vodafone either chooses, or directs manufacturers to supply, models that dont work on telecom. a couple of exceptions would be the iphone and, in the past, the palm treos.

Any sources for this otherwise its BS?

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#556502 10-Dec-2011 22:08

Do you think you'd find a source that would like to come public with this kind of information?

Seeing there are models around that only work in some bands and not others, the operators would have no problem in finding just the right ones for each of their markets ;)

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#556531 11-Dec-2011 06:43

z2k:
NonprayingMantis: as a general rule*, phones bought from XT will work no problems on Vodafone or 2Degrees networks.
As a general rule*, phones bought from Vodafone or 2Degrees will notwork on XT network.

To look at it that way, simlocking is simply an attempt at levelling the playing field (except it still isn't level because Skinny customers have the option of paying the $30 fee to get their handset to work on 2Degrees network if they want to switch. 2Degrees customers have no way of doing anything to get their handset to work on XT if they want to ditch 2Degrees.

(*Note that I said "general rule". there are,of course, some exceptions such as the iphone which is quad band 3G)

is everyone forgetting the fact that most 2degrees and Vodafone phones won't work on XT because of hardware restrictions where as Skinny locking a phone to its own network is an artificial restriction which stops you (the buyer) from doing something the phone was originally able to do?

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#556533 11-Dec-2011 08:02

mattwnz:
Regs:
z2k:

is everyone forgetting the fact that most 2degrees and Vodafone phones won't work on XT because of hardware restrictions where as Skinny locking a phone to its own network is an artificial restriction which stops you (the buyer) from doing something the phone was originally able to do?

a lot of phones that vodafone sell here come in versions that work on telecoms network too.? vodafone either chooses, or directs manufacturers to supply, models that dont work on telecom.? a couple of exceptions would be the iphone and, in the past, the palm treos.

People upgrade so regually now, and handsets are so cheap, that locking isn't really that really that impartant these days. Also other countries lock their phones.

I would hardly call a Galaxy S2 or iPhone 4S cheap..

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#556536 11-Dec-2011 08:08

ajw:
sbiddle:
ajw:
freitasm: Telecom built the network with the spectrum available.

With respect, part one of the Telecom exercise was 850 MHZ GSM and 2100MHZ for UMTS this was ditched about six months into the contract (and a waste of millions of dollars) for a dedicated 850/2100 3G network.
There are only three countries in the world that have this type of network.
TelecomNZ, Telstra Australia, and AT&T in the USA. Hence the higher cost of handsets and lack of handset choice. Please correct me if wrong.

Last I heard there were around 50 live 850MHz WCDMA networks in the world. Google hasn't helped me much in finding an exact number.

All of North America uses this (both USA and Canada) and most of the countries in South America also use this band. Smartel?have also deployed 850Mhz in Hong Kong, Vodafone have deployed 850MHz in Aussie, 850Mhz is used in Thailand, and is also being deployed in some Eastern European markets. It's also expected that this band will eventually be used in the UK for mobile.

My statement was dedicated 850/2100 UMTS networks not dedicated 850 on its own or 2100 MHZ on its own.
Check out the link for your self

http://maps.mobileworldlive.com/

About time they upgrade their info on Voda and 2D 3G frequencies..

Regards,

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#556538 11-Dec-2011 08:10

Regs:
z2k:

is everyone forgetting the fact that most 2degrees and Vodafone phones won't work on XT because of hardware restrictions where as Skinny locking a phone to its own network is an artificial restriction which stops you (the buyer) from doing something the phone was originally able to do?

a lot of phones that vodafone sell here come in versions that work on telecoms network too. vodafone either chooses, or directs manufacturers to supply, models that dont work on telecom. a couple of exceptions would be the iphone and, in the past, the palm treos.

This has nothing to do with operator(s) choosing to to this, it's because they're selecting handsets that fit their bands. Vodafone or 2degrees aren't going to be stupid enough to sell 850/2100 versions of a phone if they require 900/2100 versions to be compatible with their network.

People forget there are only a handful of countries in the world (I'm only aware of NZ, Aussie and Hong Kong) where networks use both 850Mhz and 900MHz. The vast majority of handset manufacturers and networks don't care about devices that support multiple bands, and while we now have such chipsets it's clear that the cost benefit of using these rather than building multiple variants doesn't stack up financially for them. I'm sure if It was cheaper to include quad or penta band chipsets they would do.

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#556540 11-Dec-2011 08:19

old3eyes:
ajw:
sbiddle:
ajw:
freitasm: Telecom built the network with the spectrum available.

With respect, part one of the Telecom exercise was 850 MHZ GSM and 2100MHZ for UMTS this was ditched about six months into the contract (and a waste of millions of dollars) for a dedicated 850/2100 3G network.
There are only three countries in the world that have this type of network.
TelecomNZ, Telstra Australia, and AT&T in the USA. Hence the higher cost of handsets and lack of handset choice. Please correct me if wrong.

Last I heard there were around 50 live 850MHz WCDMA networks in the world. Google hasn't helped me much in finding an exact number.

All of North America uses this (both USA and Canada) and most of the countries in South America also use this band. Smartel?have also deployed 850Mhz in Hong Kong, Vodafone have deployed 850MHz in Aussie, 850Mhz is used in Thailand, and is also being deployed in some Eastern European markets. It's also expected that this band will eventually be used in the UK for mobile.

My statement was dedicated 850/2100 UMTS networks not dedicated 850 on its own or 2100 MHZ on its own.
Check out the link for your self

http://maps.mobileworldlive.com/

About time they upgrade their info on Voda and 2D 3G frequencies..

Agreed, this info was supplied by the GSMA.

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