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  #3198300 21-Feb-2024 12:58
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Um, he's from Norway

 


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  #3198356 21-Feb-2024 14:09
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freitasm: Journalists don't understand that their job is to find the truth. "If someone says it’s raining and another person says it’s dry, it’s not your job to quote them both. It’s your job to look out the window and find out which is true." (Sam Kinch and ‎Stuart Long)

Kinch and Long in a 1974 book about a Texas Governor attribute the quote to Hubert Mewhinney criticizing Texas newspapers in the 1940s. It was obviously an issue back then.

More broadly that criticism is the result of a misconception. Accurate reporting of events is correctly the primary concern. "Finding the truth" has tended to be the job of an investigative journalist then and now.

Tldr; Not all journalists wear all hats as part of their job description.

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  #3198371 21-Feb-2024 14:41
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gzt: ...

More broadly that criticism is the result of a misconception. Accurate reporting of events is correctly the primary concern. "Finding the truth" has tended to be the job of an investigative journalist then and now.

Tldr; Not all journalists wear all hats as part of their job description.

 

But still not an excuse for the sloppy journalism and editing that is frequently highlighted in this forum. 

 

(Incidentally, the error I pointed out in my previous post has now been fixed in the online article...but they can't undo screen snips😆 )





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  #3198416 21-Feb-2024 16:12
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Umm.... today is Wednesday right ? Apparently a man died today, Tuesday. 

 

 

 





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  #3198421 21-Feb-2024 16:26
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xpd:

 

Umm.... today is Wednesday right ? Apparently a man died today, Tuesday. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Guess we wait and see if they rise again on the 3rd day ?


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  #3198465 21-Feb-2024 18:27
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floydbloke: But still not an excuse for the sloppy journalism and editing that is frequently highlighted in this forum. 


(Incidentally, the error I pointed out in my previous post has now been fixed in the online article...but they can't undo screen snips😆 )


In the case you highlighted there is no acknowledgement of the error or the correction. I agree online news can do better.

The idea this never occurred in the good old days of newspaper journalists is an absolute perfect past fallacy.

In those days, not so long ago information was not widely distributed. Numerous trivial errors of fact were printed. Most people had no means to access the required sources. Trust was higher because there were no alternative sources and no forums to reveal issues other than a letter to the editor.

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  #3198481 21-Feb-2024 18:49
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Dingbatt: , but I suggest* recent graduates of journalism courses operate under different priorities. They will; Quote opinion as fact (OAF), Cut and Paste press releases verbatim, Use social media as a source, Use sound bites to alter context, Stand outside a location for a live cross hours after an event has occurred, And, Only report what is allowed by their organisation.

I've already dealt with the perfect past fallacy.

These are all legitimate criticisms of journalistic practice.

Instead of blaming individual journalists or perhaps blaming educators for this situation you need to realise that most of these aspects are required by the industry in which they are employed.

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  #3198482 21-Feb-2024 18:58
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Dingbatt: , but I suggest* recent graduates of journalism courses operate under different priorities. They will; Quote opinion as fact (OAF), Cut and Paste press releases verbatim, Use social media as a source, Use sound bites to alter context, Stand outside a location for a live cross hours after an event has occurred, And, Only report what is allowed by their organisation.

I've already dealt with the perfect past fallacy.

These are all legitimate criticisms of journalistic practice.

Instead of blaming individual journalists or perhaps blaming educators for this situation you need to realise that most of these aspects are required by the industry in which they are employed.


In which case, we as consumers should vote with our wallets.

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  #3198483 21-Feb-2024 19:03
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Dingbatt: The days of reporting displayed in the movie All The President’s Men are long gone.

I'm not sure why on earth you would believe that to be the case.

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  #3198487 21-Feb-2024 19:12
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SheriffNZ: In which case, we as consumers should vote with our wallets.

To be clear, most voting in this arena is done with your eyeballs. Wallets have not kept pace. Eyeballs sell advertising which is the predominant and often only source of revenue for online news in many cases.

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  #3198597 22-Feb-2024 08:27
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Dingbatt: The days of reporting displayed in the movie All The President’s Men are long gone.

I'm not sure why on earth you would believe that to be the case.

 

Yes, perhaps not the best example. But I was looking at it from the “intrepid reporter seeks the truth” aspect rather than the seedy world of politics, which I’m sure is alive and well, if not worse.





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  #3199359 24-Feb-2024 08:04
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Uh oh. Think Stuff may upset TVNZ with this one.





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  #3199487 24-Feb-2024 13:53
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A non sequitur from NZH in a story today about an unexploded WWII bomb found in Plymouth, UK:

 

“The reason the bomb did not explode “will never be known”, it added, but it may have been that some of the properties in the area were evacuated for a time, and the bomb was simply overlooked.”

 

So the bomb didn’t explode because no-one was home? Or because no-one knew it was there?





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  #3199520 24-Feb-2024 15:06
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The original UK article I think has the same paragraph. In context of local thinking and knowledge I think it makes sense. Properties were originally evacuated when the area was bombed in 1940something. It was not defused because it was not marked or was overlooked for defusing or in the too hard basket and left alone and forgotten.

One case where editing would have helped. That paragraph makes little sense without local background knowledge.

https://www.shropshirestar.com/news/uk-news/2024/02/23/what-will-happen-to-the-plymouth-bomb-and-why-has-it-only-been-found-now/

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  #3199539 24-Feb-2024 16:13
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eracode:

 

So the bomb didn’t explode because no-one was home? Or because no-one knew it was there?

 

 

If a tree falls in a forrest....


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