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#3107340 23-Jul-2023 16:56

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Another case of selective memory. What about the Aramoana killing involving an AK style semi auto?

"After the shootings, sweeping changes were made to New Zealand's firearms legislation in 1992, including 10-year photographic licences and tight restrictions on military style semi-automatic firearms."

yes, tho many still remember that one. people have completely forgotten all the others.

“All the others?”

You mean Raurimu?

In the last 50 years there’s been Aramoana, the Schlaepfer family, the Bain family, Raurimu, Christchurch and this one.

Christchurch is the obvious outlier amount them as a politically motivated massacre.

Edit: I’m referencing shootings. There have been other mass killings not involving firearms.

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#3107345 23-Jul-2023 17:35

Handle9:“All the others?”

You mean Raurimu?

In the last 50 years there’s been Aramoana, the Schlaepfer family, the Bain family, Raurimu, Christchurch and this one.

Christchurch is the obvious outlier amount them as a politically motivated massacre.

Edit: I’m referencing shootings. There have been other mass killings not involving firearms.

it depends on what the definition is. i see some are calling this shooting a 'massacre".

there is a more recent one similar to schlaepfer family. of course a few arson ones. then the smaller body count ones like whangarai one, the auckland/woodhill one.

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#3107349 23-Jul-2023 18:04

I think there is too much emphasis on whether an attack is 'politically motivated'. Regardless of any supposed political motivation, attacks of this nature ultimately tend to occur when people are socially disengaged.

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#3107732 24-Jul-2023 22:42

Eva888: Gangs will always have their arsenals because weapons in the hands of the criminals can’t ever be controlled.

The more guns we have floating around the easier it is for people with bad intentions to get hands on them that's for sure.

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#3107811 25-Jul-2023 10:45

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Eva888: Gangs will always have their arsenals because weapons in the hands of the criminals can’t ever be controlled.

The more guns we have floating around the easier it is for people with bad intentions to get hands on them that's for sure.

The more criminals we have floating around means more bad things happen.

In this instance this guy should have been in jail. On this case, It’s our soft justice system here to blame, nothing else really.

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#3107814 25-Jul-2023 10:47

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Eva888: Gangs will always have their arsenals because weapons in the hands of the criminals can’t ever be controlled.

The more guns we have floating around the easier it is for people with bad intentions to get hands on them that's for sure.

thats a pointless comment. guns are not floating about and there has never been or ever will be a shortage of firearms for crims. there is far more legal owners than there is crims. add to that black market firearms come at a high cost. the real issue is the need for crims to have them and use them, due to the drug war, and having the finances to buy them thanks to the drug trade.

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#3107821 25-Jul-2023 10:56

Wombat1:

The more criminals we have floating around means more bad things happen.

In this instance this guy should have been in jail. On this case, It’s our soft justice system here to blame, nothing else really.

exactly.

but its easier for people to blame inanimate objects instead of real people. put the blinkers on, ignore the victims, ignore the situation, go back to the illusion of security.

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#3107861 25-Jul-2023 13:05

I think it's good both Labour and National support the firearms registry which came into force last month even if it will take five years before everything is registered.

ACT wants to mostly scrap the registry and says scrapping it will be a bottom line in any coalition negotiations with the National Party. You'd think ACT has more important things to do but apparently not.

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#3107865 25-Jul-2023 13:15

Believe it or not, the US National Rifle Association has tendrils in politics quite far outside of the US. They've been caught on tape discussing with a smaller political party in Australia getting Australian gun laws weakened. I wouldn't be surprised to find out ACT is getting some US-sourced donations.

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#3107868 25-Jul-2023 13:36

Kyanar:
Believe it or not, the US National Rifle Association has tendrils in politics quite far outside of the US. They've been caught on tape discussing with a smaller political party in Australia getting Australian gun laws weakened. I wouldn't be surprised to find out ACT is getting some US-sourced donations.

Do you have a source to that claim?

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#3107873 25-Jul-2023 13:48

I'm aware Australia's One Nation party was attempting to solicit donations in the USA. I seem to recall they were apparently unsuccessful:

https://www.smh.com.au/national/australia-s-gun-lobby-and-its-political-donations-laid-bare-20190327-p5184g.html

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#3107881 25-Jul-2023 13:55

gzt: I think it's good both Labour and National support the firearms registry which came into force last month even if it will take five years before everything is registered.

ACT wants to mostly scrap the registry and says scrapping it will be a bottom line in any coalition negotiations with the National Party. You'd think ACT has more important things to do but apparently not.

sounds like act knows just how much of a white elephant it is and labor/national are busy chasing the know nothing head in the sand vote. its a huge cost for very little gain, so its no surprise the police don't want to pay for it. theres good reason they got rid of the last one. keep in mind police record all gun imports, they record all new gun sales and record peoples own firearms anyway, even with no gun registry.

even for this incident, a registry most likely will simply show it was stolen years ago from police approved storage or its one of the many in crims hands already. its a question of how much do you want to pay for that.

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#3107886 25-Jul-2023 14:16

You're simply wrong on many levels. The Police Association has condemned the ACT party for this stance on several occasions.

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#3107892 25-Jul-2023 14:44

tweake:
gzt: I think it's good both Labour and National support the firearms registry which came into force last month even if it will take five years before everything is registered.

ACT wants to mostly scrap the registry and says scrapping it will be a bottom line in any coalition negotiations with the National Party. You'd think ACT has more important things to do but apparently not.

sounds like act knows just how much of a white elephant it is and labor/national are busy chasing the know nothing head in the sand vote. its a huge cost for very little gain, so its no surprise the police don't want to pay for it. theres good reason they got rid of the last one. keep in mind police record all gun imports, they record all new gun sales and record peoples own firearms anyway, even with no gun registry.

even for this incident, a registry most likely will simply show it was stolen years ago from police approved storage or its one of the many in crims hands already. its a question of how much do you want to pay for that.

Nah. ACT is pandering to the gun nuts.

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#3107896 25-Jul-2023 14:50

gzt: I think it's good both Labour and National support the firearms registry which came into force last month even if it will take five years before everything is registered.

ACT wants to mostly scrap the registry and says scrapping it will be a bottom line in any coalition negotiations with the National Party. You'd think ACT has more important things to do but apparently not.

Criminals will never participate in the register (they are also unlicenced of course) so it will not have any effect on the people who cause 100% of gun crime.

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