Judith Collins: I am resigning

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#151608 30-Aug-2014 13:23

She was either pushed or the new revelations made to resign. Either way I am happy to see her go, she should have over the whole Oravida saga.
Good ploy for Key as well to drop her now and try and take the heat off the campaign trail. She was not going to be in the cabinet lineup if nats made it back into power in the next elections anyway.

Sorry but i am happy to see her go and never liked her.

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#1118531 30-Aug-2014 13:31

Why should she after the Oravida thing? What did she do so wrong with that?

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#1118537 30-Aug-2014 13:41

good

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#1118539 30-Aug-2014 13:43

I wonder if John Key is trying to checkmate her? This email was released by John Key? Anyone here think this might be related to the revelation that Collins is trying to roll John Key after election?

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#1118550 30-Aug-2014 14:01

nakedmolerat: I wonder if John Key is trying to checkmate her? This email was released by John Key? Anyone here think this might be related to the revelation that Collins is trying to roll John Key after election?

Ludicrous. She wouldn't have the support or credibility, even if she wanted to, but she isn't stupid and would know she would have NO chance whatsoever of becoming the PM or even leader in opposition.

It's appropriate to resign, to clear her name or otherwise, it's been an unwelcome distraction and she has lost the trust of the people. It should be good for National.

Hopefully politics can go back to focusing on the plans each party has to make the country a better place for everyone.

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#1118553 30-Aug-2014 14:07

I think some of the oppositions chances of getting in, are based on keeping this dirty politics thing going. So expect to see opposition parties trying to keep it going. The problem with policies that opposition parties are releasing , is that they lack any detail, and in fact they even say they won't nut out the details until they are in power. I don't see how you can vote for a party based on that. The capital gains tax is a case in point, there are no real details about it, and NZ does already have a capital gains tax, for the reasons why the opposition parties say it is needed. The problem is policing it which is costly.

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#1118555 30-Aug-2014 14:10

About time, might save the election for National.

Here is a crazy notion, lets give peace a chance.

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#1118556 30-Aug-2014 14:11

mattwnz: I think some of the oppositions chances of getting in, are based on keeping this dirty politics thing going. So expect to see opposition parties trying to keep it going. The problem with policies that opposition parties are releasing , is that they lack any detail, and in fact they even say they won't nut out the details until they are in power. I don't see how you can vote for a party based on that. The capital gains tax is a case in point, there are no real details about it, and NZ does already have a capital gains tax.

Agreed. I don't believe for a second that Labour would have a clue what to do for at least 18 months in power. It would take them that long to work out where things were at. They are in opposition for oppositions sake, and until there are real issues to oppose the only real hope is it try and undermine the current govt. The problem for them is that the National Governent is doing a decent job.

Whilst I am not happy about some of the things in the recent few weeks, Collins gone is a step in the right direction and I still FIRMLY believe National is the best party for NZ for right now.

Point in case Labours 100K new homes, so many different ways to attack the credibility of a plan like that. It's not well thought out at all.

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#1118590 30-Aug-2014 14:40

i for one am glad that she has "resigned"

she has been involved in so many issues over the last year or two that at best paint her as stupid - and at worst, corrupt

and to those who defend her - i am gobsmacked....given that even her boss has (finally) cast her to the backbenches in what will most likely be a stepping stone to political oblivion

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#1118608 30-Aug-2014 15:36

About time.

Now hopefully the election can get back to a focus on policies and what the different parties propose to do if you vote for them. The stuff that actually matters for making a voting decision.

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#1118616 30-Aug-2014 15:54

driller2000: i for one am glad that she has "resigned"

she has been involved in so many issues over the last year or two that at best paint her as stupid - and at worst, corrupt

and to those who defend her - i am gobsmacked....given that even her boss has (finally) cast her to the backbenches in what will most likely be a stepping stone to political oblivion

Each issue has to be looked in isolation as the PM has rightly said. It is normal politics, for politicians actions to be questioned by the opposition. If that didn't occur, you would have a very weak opposition. But in this case she had no option to resign to the back benches, due to the seriousness of the new allegation, so they can then be investigated they are correct or not.It will also help remove that distraction from the real issues of the election which is a good thing, so hopefully that is now the end of the whole dirty politics thing. Dirty politics really only goes to help the minor parties, which has somewhat been proven by the latest polls. I think that if the opposition continue to bring up dirty politics, then I can see that they don't really want to debate the validity of their election policies. I don't think many people really know too much about the different parties policies. I was speaking to someone in their 30's who I thought was pretty clued up. and they though that the capital gains tax policy was a national one, not a labour one, so many people really don't have a clue what the policies are unless they are directly related to them.

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#1118617 30-Aug-2014 15:55

JimmyH: About time.

Now hopefully the election can get back to a focus on policies and what the different parties propose to do if you vote for them. The stuff that actually matters for making a voting decision.

Theoretically it should put the dirty politics to bed. But time will tell. I suspect that it won't.

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#1118630 30-Aug-2014 16:41

dirty politics coming to an end is 100 per cent dependent on a change in politicians (and their associates) behaviour

it is NOT dependent on books and news media...

the fact of the matter is the sacking of collins does not change what has been alleged - and it should not be used as some sort of "ohh look we cut out the rot - now let's move on :) :) you can trust us now :) :) etc etc"

it must be investigated - and if there is proven wrongdoing then those responsible should be dealt with accordingly - AND - this sh*t has got to stop

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#1118652 30-Aug-2014 17:42

mattwnz: Why should she after the Oravida thing? What did she do so wrong with that?

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/9818950/Judith-Collins-comes-clean-about-dinner

If that isn't self-explanatory, then...

I'm glad to see her go. Smug authoritarians in particular need to be squeaky-clean. She wasn't. Karma.

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#1118657 30-Aug-2014 17:56

driller2000: dirty politics coming to an end is 100 per cent dependent on a change in politicians (and their associates) behaviour

it is NOT dependent on books and news media...

the fact of the matter is the sacking of collins does not change what has been alleged - and it should not be used as some sort of "ohh look we cut out the rot - now let's move on :) :) you can trust us now :) :) etc etc"

it must be investigated - and if there is proven wrongdoing then those responsible should be dealt with accordingly - AND - this sh*t has got to stop

I am wondering IF it turns out everything was on the the up and up, and investigation clears those accused, will those who instigated the investigation stand down accordingly?

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#1118659 30-Aug-2014 18:00

Fred99:
mattwnz: Why should she after the Oravida thing? What did she do so wrong with that?

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/9818950/Judith-Collins-comes-clean-about-dinner

If that isn't self-explanatory, then...

I'm glad to see her go. Smug authoritarians in particular need to be squeaky-clean. She wasn't. Karma.

Is that a major thing though, to lose your job over? As it said, she was given a warning over it. Sounds like some of the problems were due to language. You do have to remember that people are human, and everyone makes mistakes or judgment lapses, and these were less than minor in the grand scheme of things. The latest allegation though is certainly more than minor, so she had no option to resign while they are investigated. Also a polical party and policies is more than just a person.

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