Dotcom appeal to be livestreamed

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#201695 30-Aug-2016 11:23

Dotcom has received permission from the judge to livestream his appeal hearing. A condition imposed by the judge is that 'any footage would be removed as soon as the six-week hearing was over'.

????? Do judges in this country have any idea how the Internet actually works? Once it is out there, it is out there forever.

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#1619556 30-Aug-2016 11:24

the only question I have is... who cares and who will watch it?

Here is a crazy notion, lets give peace a chance.

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#1619558 30-Aug-2016 11:31

I'd better go and buy the biggest tub of popcorn that exists.

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#1619566 30-Aug-2016 11:44

DarthKermit:

I'd better go and buy the biggest tub of popcorn that exists ...

.... and a widescreen TV that shows deep blacks.

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#1619570 30-Aug-2016 11:49

MikeB4:

the only question I have is... who cares and who will watch it?

Well, although I won't be watching it, the case is important. Not because I have any love for the man himself, but for what it represents. All that 'due process' stuff seems really expensive and unnecessary when the subject is someone like Dotcom. But it is good to remember that those rules are there for everyone's protection, and if we don't stand up for them when they are attacked over someone we don't like, we might find they're not there anymore when we need them ourselves.

It is my understanding that the bar for extradition is relatively low: not 'did he definitely do it?' but 'is there a case to answer?' From that perspective an extradition is reasonable. But you need to put it into context with everything else that was done to him. For the crime of 'making it somewhat easier for other people to share DVDs', he was treated more aggressively than we've handled some people accused of murder.

Doesn't sit right with me, and it shouldn't with anyone else either.

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#1619571 30-Aug-2016 11:50

money can't buy you an election, nor can it buy a judge or jury.

if you're innocent simply come here to the US and prove you're innocent.

NZers are sick of this sideshow sucking oxygen out of things that matter.

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#1619574 30-Aug-2016 11:55

nathan:

if you're innocent simply come here to the US and prove you're innocent.

Aren't you (sorry your country) supposed to be proving he's guilty....

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#1619580 30-Aug-2016 12:08

nathan:

money can't buy you an election, nor can it buy a judge or jury.

if you're innocent simply come here to the US and prove you're innocent.

NZers are sick of this sideshow sucking oxygen out of things that matter.

Not defending Dotcom as an individual here - but I have to agree with other commentators including high profile legal minds that he's unlikely to get a fair trial in the US.

As and others have pointed out - you don't have to prove you're innocent, they have to prove you're guilty. In any case, defending yourself becomes much harder to do when they have taken all the evidence and refuse to share any of it with the defendant (allowing them to cherry pick the bits that suit them or they can use out of context, and ignore the rest).

Again, ignoring WHO the accused is here - you only have to look at what has gone on to date to see that the US government (and to some extent the NZ government) at best have been unbelievably careless with their approach to this case, and at worst deliberately malicious.

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#1619585 30-Aug-2016 12:19

DarthKermit:

I'd better go and buy the biggest tub of popcorn that exists.

Dotcom already ate it :)

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#1619586 30-Aug-2016 12:19

nathan:

money can't buy you an election, nor can it buy a judge or jury.

Thank goodness for that. I was concerned that money could lead to a President Trump who'd stack the SCOTUS with more conservative cronies.

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#1619590 30-Aug-2016 12:22

SaltyNZ:

MikeB4:

the only question I have is... who cares and who will watch it?

Well, although I won't be watching it, the case is important. Not because I have any love for the man himself, but for what it represents. All that 'due process' stuff seems really expensive and unnecessary when the subject is someone like Dotcom. But it is good to remember that those rules are there for everyone's protection, and if we don't stand up for them when they are attacked over someone we don't like, we might find they're not there anymore when we need them ourselves.

It is my understanding that the bar for extradition is relatively low: not 'did he definitely do it?' but 'is there a case to answer?' From that perspective an extradition is reasonable. But you need to put it into context with everything else that was done to him. For the crime of 'making it somewhat easier for other people to share DVDs', he was treated more aggressively than we've handled some people accused of murder.

Doesn't sit right with me, and it shouldn't with anyone else either.

It's not often we would agree, but on this we do. I've been pretty disappointed by NZ and US Authorities handling of this case. I have no love for the guy either, but I've seen cases thrown out for being handled his badly in the past.

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#1619594 30-Aug-2016 12:34

Even if you hate him, there is simply no way he should be extradited.

To my mind, there is zero difference between us extraditing him on bogus charges to the US to be a political prisoners as there would be extraditing someone to North Korea, Iraq or China to be a political prisoner for doing something those governments didn't like and outlawed.

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#1619600 30-Aug-2016 12:48

nathan:

money can't buy you an election, nor can it buy a judge or jury.

if you're innocent simply come here to the US and prove you're innocent.

NZers are sick of this sideshow sucking oxygen out of things that matter.

Ah yes, America, the bastion of a fair trial and due process.

I think not. I have no love for the man either, but I respect his right to fight tooth and nail against extradition.