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#115913 11-Apr-2013 16:14
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Location: Timaru
Installer: Chorus guys x 2
Time: 5 hours
Type: overhead
Plan: Telecom Fibre 30 (30Mbit/s down - 10Mbit/s up)




Pulling cable to pole



Up the pole




Attached to house at same point as copper



Pole box - can feed five installs



ETP at right - fibre follows nasty SKY cable into vent



ETP



Cable drops - power on top, copper and fibre below



ONT



Cable hell



Telecom router - model V5542



23Mbit/s @ 450kms



Telecom's own speedmeter shows better, but I'm not sure where that server is.


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  #797857 11-Apr-2013 16:19
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That is a lot of work for a USB Install :)

Imagine how much work would have been required for UFB.



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  #797862 11-Apr-2013 16:22
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networkn: That is a lot of work for a USB Install :)

Imagine how much work would have been required for UFB.


Oh, there's always a joker. Fixed!

 
 
 
 


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  #797867 11-Apr-2013 16:27
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What is the path the fibre takes to get to the ONT, 

It looks like is goes into your ceiling space after the drop from the pole, and then emerges on another side of the house somewhere?

It then comes down the outside of a concrete stucco wall ( in a flex conduit)? and heads to the EPT after the EPT it goes under the house through a sub floor vent and I guess popup on the other side of the wall somewhere and into the ONT

I am presuming you now no longer have a copper connection and that your UFB provider is not Telecom?

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  #797871 11-Apr-2013 16:32
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I thought Telecom weren't doing overhead UFB installs or is that only in certain places?

Banana?
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  #797873 11-Apr-2013 16:34
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wellygary: What is the path the fibre takes to get to the ONT, 

It looks like is goes into your ceiling space after the drop from the pole, and then emerges on another side of the house somewhere?

It then comes down the outside of a concrete stucco wall ( in a flex conduit)? and heads to the EPT after the EPT it goes under the house through a sub floor vent and I guess popup on the other side of the wall somewhere and into the ONT

I am presuming you now no longer have a copper connection and that your UFB provider is not Telecom?

Says in the OP that they are on Telecom 30/10.

There is still a copper line there too. Must be that in Timaru, they don't have to remove the copper when hanging the fibre like in Auckland.



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  #797874 11-Apr-2013 16:34
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wellygary: What is the path the fibre takes to get to the ONT, 

It looks like is goes into your ceiling space after the drop from the pole, and then emerges on another side of the house somewhere?

It then comes down the outside of a concrete stucco wall ( in a flex conduit)? and heads to the EPT after the EPT it goes under the house through a sub floor vent and I guess popup on the other side of the wall somewhere and into the ONT

I am presuming you now no longer have a copper connection and that your UFB provider is not Telecom?


  1. Fibre goes to front gable end of house and into ceiling space
  2. Out of left front surfeit and down PVC tubing to ETP
  3. Follows Sky cable into vent
  4. Under floor to emerge in office

The reason it goes into gable and then thru ceiling is to make it tidier at the front of the house. And it does.

I have copper for phone. My provider is Telecom.



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  #797876 11-Apr-2013 16:37
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wongtop: I thought Telecom weren't doing overhead UFB installs or is that only in certain places?


The Chorus guys said most installs would be overhead when possible. Obviously that doesn't apply where underground is available. In my street all installs will be overhead as everything is still on poles. I guess you could pay extra to have them go underground.

 
 
 
 


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  #797892 11-Apr-2013 17:06
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trig42: 

There is still a copper line there too. Must be that in Timaru, they don't have to remove the copper when hanging the fibre like in Auckland.


Interesting, so it must be local council regs that are causing T/com to claim it cant install because they need to leave the copper span in....



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  #797901 11-Apr-2013 17:17
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wellygary:
trig42: 

There is still a copper line there too. Must be that in Timaru, they don't have to remove the copper when hanging the fibre like in Auckland.


Interesting, so it must be local council regs that are causing T/com to claim it cant install because they need to leave the copper span in....


The Chorus guy made comments to the effect that consents had a lot to do with the confusion. He seemed to think there was a lot of grey area as to what could be done and what could not be. He even suggested there was a bald contradiction in that the copper *should* not be left attached, but that it was *required* to be left attached due to other factors.

I assume this differs from region to region.

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  #797981 11-Apr-2013 19:09
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Nuwanda - congrats on joining the UFB connected club

Putting my installer hat on - there are a few estetic things I dont like about your install but they're only minor when it comes to the handleing of the hybrid cable - we never leave it exposed to the elements outside and we will always atempt to bring the cable up inside the wall and not over the scurting.

For those asking and as I have been instructed - Chorus (and their contractors) are not allowed under the natonal RMA agreements, for the installation of the UFB network, to add an aerial service connection without removeing an aerial service connection, unless an exemption has been applied for and granted by the local council.


Nuwanda - you are very very lucky to have both a copper and a fibre aerial connections - I hate to say this but your connection should not have gone ahead with both. We have been instructed to reject all jobs back to Chorus (via them back to the providers) when the install works out to be an aerial connection and the retaining of the copper connection is requested.

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  #797986 11-Apr-2013 19:15
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InstallerUFB: Nuwanda - congrats on joining the UFB connected club

Putting my installer hat on - there are a few estetic things I dont like about your install but they're only minor when it comes to the handleing of the hybrid cable - we never leave it exposed to the elements outside and we will always atempt to bring the cable up inside the wall and not over the scurting.

For those asking and as I have been instructed - Chorus (and their contractors) are not allowed under the natonal RMA agreements, for the installation of the UFB network, to add an aerial service connection without removeing an aerial service connection, unless an exemption has been applied for and granted by the local council.


Nuwanda - you are very very lucky to have both a copper and a fibre aerial connections - I hate to say this but your connection should not have gone ahead with both. We have been instructed to reject all jobs back to Chorus (via them back to the providers) when the install works out to be an aerial connection and the retaining of the copper connection is requested.


I'm amazed this even got sent to Chorus let alone went ahead hahaha. Well no take backs now :)

Just to be clear as has been said above we do not accept installs that are overhead. You need to drop the copper overhead or wait for Voice over Fibre. This is an anomaly do not expect to get fibre overhead because of this. It simply won't happen

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  #797991 11-Apr-2013 19:24
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Nuwanda:


ONT


Will anyone who gets a fibre optic internet connection require one of those (regardless of ISP)?



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  #797995 11-Apr-2013 19:26
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InstallerUFB: Nuwanda - congrats on joining the UFB connected club

Putting my installer hat on - there are a few estetic things I dont like about your install but they're only minor when it comes to the handleing of the hybrid cable - we never leave it exposed to the elements outside and we will always atempt to bring the cable up inside the wall and not over the scurting.

For those asking and as I have been instructed - Chorus (and their contractors) are not allowed under the natonal RMA agreements, for the installation of the UFB network, to add an aerial service connection without removeing an aerial service connection, unless an exemption has been applied for and granted by the local council.


Nuwanda - you are very very lucky to have both a copper and a fibre aerial connections - I hate to say this but your connection should not have gone ahead with both. We have been instructed to reject all jobs back to Chorus (via them back to the providers) when the install works out to be an aerial connection and the retaining of the copper connection is requested.


Interesting comments. Who do you work for?

By the external cable you mean the piece that runs from the ETP to the vent? My house is solid concrete including all internal walls. They installed into the front gable and to get the fibre fully internally to my office they would have had to run the cable from the ceiling down the surface of an internal wall. Not something I would have liked. That seems to be why they went underfloor to the office. The problem was how to get to the underfloor in the first place. I guess they could have gone to the gable and then dropped a PVC tube straight down and then underfloor. That's kind of what happened with the exception of that short run to the vent from the ETP. I assume the type of cable from the ETP is different than the cable from the pole, which is obviously full exposed.

The installer did mention conflicting aspects of existing cabling versus new, as I mentioned above. I got the distinct impression this was a local matter and that the copper could not be disconnected. Why? I don't know. The new fibre has copper with it. Perhaps you can explain why the new copper could not have been hooked up to my internal copper and the old copper drop then been disconnected.

I was also told that I was not a special case and that any install in my street would follow the same criteria.





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  #798010 11-Apr-2013 19:39
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Yyrael:
InstallerUFB: Nuwanda - congrats on joining the UFB connected club

Putting my installer hat on - there are a few estetic things I dont like about your install but they're only minor when it comes to the handleing of the hybrid cable - we never leave it exposed to the elements outside and we will always atempt to bring the cable up inside the wall and not over the scurting.

For those asking and as I have been instructed - Chorus (and their contractors) are not allowed under the natonal RMA agreements, for the installation of the UFB network, to add an aerial service connection without removeing an aerial service connection, unless an exemption has been applied for and granted by the local council.


Nuwanda - you are very very lucky to have both a copper and a fibre aerial connections - I hate to say this but your connection should not have gone ahead with both. We have been instructed to reject all jobs back to Chorus (via them back to the providers) when the install works out to be an aerial connection and the retaining of the copper connection is requested.


I'm amazed this even got sent to Chorus let alone went ahead hahaha. Well no take backs now :)

Just to be clear as has been said above we do not accept installs that are overhead. You need to drop the copper overhead or wait for Voice over Fibre. This is an anomaly do not expect to get fibre overhead because of this. It simply won't happen


I can only take one thing from your comment: that I was somehow a special case? An accident?

Of course, I know zilch about the ins and outs of the whole procedure, but the Chorus guys weren't rogue operatives giving a finger to the powers that be. They obviously had a set of parameters to work within. The only thing that makes sense is that installs vary greatly from locality to locality.

It may be of help to note that my original courtesy call was from Downer. When the Chorus guys turned up I asked why them and not Downer. They, of course, were subbing from Downer. Maybe that connection has some bearing. All I know is that there was no doubt, confusion or trepidation on the part of Chorus. They just did a job.



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  #798017 11-Apr-2013 19:53
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For those of you interested, I've noticed a jump in speeds in about half of my use cases.

I'm a web developer and do a lot of uploading, mainly to servers on the US West Coast. FTP is quite a bit snappier.

These things are subject to weakest link theory. My local speeds are obviously subject to what's being served and from where. I didn't expect a huge jump. Large emails are uploaded faster and that's a bonus. Dropbox downloads are also very quick.

Concurrent downloading is also better, as I would expect.

That's about it.

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