How much of a difference would there be connected to a copper cabinet instead of a fibre fed cabinet?

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dcole13

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#147165 10-Jun-2014 23:06

Hi,

I have been looking at the GISG NZ Infrastructure map and I have been also looking at my sisters internet speeds. They are quite low, ~3Mbps, wheras I get over 13Mbps. This has also happened to my friend, as he has 8Mbps just up the road. There are multiple cabinets nearby, including 2 fibre fed cabinets and a copper fed one. I was just wondering how much of a difference it would make being connected to one and not the other?

Thanks.

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#1063047 10-Jun-2014 23:06

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#1063064 10-Jun-2014 23:09

Well if its truly copper fed it would be most likely congested running ADSL1

dcole13

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#1063070 10-Jun-2014 23:13

TimA: Well if its truly copper fed it would be most likely congested running ADSL1

The cabinet is on the intersection of Brightside Road and Kauri Road in Whangaparaoa. I got it off this map: http://gis.geek.nz/infrastructure.html

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#1063072 10-Jun-2014 23:17

dcole13:
TimA: Well if its truly copper fed it would be most likely congested running ADSL1

The cabinet is on the intersection of Brightside Road and Kauri Road in Whangaparaoa. I got it off this map: http://gis.geek.nz/infrastructure.html

No way that is congested. Only 1 cabinet there maybe an old one listed on GIS or a consent for one.

dcole13

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#1063075 10-Jun-2014 23:19

TimA:
dcole13:
TimA: Well if its truly copper fed it would be most likely congested running ADSL1

The cabinet is on the intersection of Brightside Road and Kauri Road in Whangaparaoa. I got it off this map: http://gis.geek.nz/infrastructure.html

No way that is congested. Only 1 cabinet there maybe an old one listed on GIS or a consent for one.

Okay, thanks. Would you know any reason for the low speeds (~3Mbps)?

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#1063078 10-Jun-2014 23:21

dcole13:
TimA:
dcole13:
TimA: Well if its truly copper fed it would be most likely congested running ADSL1

The cabinet is on the intersection of Brightside Road and Kauri Road in Whangaparaoa. I got it off this map: http://gis.geek.nz/infrastructure.html

No way that is congested. Only 1 cabinet there maybe an old one listed on GIS or a consent for one.

Okay, thanks. Would you know any reason for the low speeds (~3Mbps)?

filter installed? edge of reach?

couldnt tell you without knowning a little more detail.

the gis maps are RATHER out of date

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#1063101 11-Jun-2014 06:09

follow some of peter readers advice :) post up some more detailed info on your sisters connection

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#1063108 11-Jun-2014 07:07

dcole13: Hi,

I have been looking at the GISG NZ Infrastructure map and I have been also looking at my sisters internet speeds. They are quite low, ~3Mbps, wheras I get over 13Mbps. This has also happened to my friend, as he has 8Mbps just up the road. There are multiple cabinets nearby, including 2 fibre fed cabinets and a copper fed one. I was just wondering how much of a difference it would make being connected to one and not the other?

Thanks.

There are many other factors other than how a cabinet is feed that can determin what your DSL 'speed' will be. Includeing, but not only, what type of equipment may or may not be installed inside the cabinet, what the network design is after the cabinet and the section you can effect, the wireing inside your house.

Copper telephone networks are generaly built out from an exchange like branchs of a tree with cabinets placed out on the bigger limbs and just like in nature each limb, branch, twig etc is diffrent.

dcole13

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#1063151 11-Jun-2014 07:59

InstallerUFB:
dcole13: Hi,

I have been looking at the GISG NZ Infrastructure map and I have been also looking at my sisters internet speeds. They are quite low, ~3Mbps, wheras I get over 13Mbps. This has also happened to my friend, as he has 8Mbps just up the road. There are multiple cabinets nearby, including 2 fibre fed cabinets and a copper fed one. I was just wondering how much of a difference it would make being connected to one and not the other?

Thanks.

There are many other factors other than how a cabinet is feed that can determin what your DSL 'speed' will be. Includeing, but not only, what type of equipment may or may not be installed inside the cabinet, what the network design is after the cabinet and the section you can effect, the wireing inside your house.

Copper telephone networks are generaly built out from an exchange like branchs of a tree with cabinets placed out on the bigger limbs and just like in nature each limb, branch, twig etc is diffrent.

Ok, thanks. I will have a look at the line stats next time I go to see her. Also, she is in a VDSL2 area (>20Mbps on Chorus Maps).

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#1063363 11-Jun-2014 13:52

dcole13:
InstallerUFB:
dcole13: Hi,

I have been looking at the GISG NZ Infrastructure map and I have been also looking at my sisters internet speeds. They are quite low, ~3Mbps, wheras I get over 13Mbps. This has also happened to my friend, as he has 8Mbps just up the road. There are multiple cabinets nearby, including 2 fibre fed cabinets and a copper fed one. I was just wondering how much of a difference it would make being connected to one and not the other?

Thanks.

There are many other factors other than how a cabinet is feed that can determin what your DSL 'speed' will be. Includeing, but not only, what type of equipment may or may not be installed inside the cabinet, what the network design is after the cabinet and the section you can effect, the wireing inside your house.

Copper telephone networks are generaly built out from an exchange like branchs of a tree with cabinets placed out on the bigger limbs and just like in nature each limb, branch, twig etc is diffrent.

Ok, thanks. I will have a look at the line stats next time I go to see her. Also, she is in a VDSL2 area (>20Mbps on Chorus Maps).

if shes only getting 3mbit, and is in a vdsl area, chances are highly likely that an internal wiring issue is the problem..

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dcole13

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#1063543 11-Jun-2014 18:14

hio77:
dcole13:
InstallerUFB:
dcole13: Hi,

I have been looking at the GISG NZ Infrastructure map and I have been also looking at my sisters internet speeds. They are quite low, ~3Mbps, wheras I get over 13Mbps. This has also happened to my friend, as he has 8Mbps just up the road. There are multiple cabinets nearby, including 2 fibre fed cabinets and a copper fed one. I was just wondering how much of a difference it would make being connected to one and not the other?

Thanks.

There are many other factors other than how a cabinet is feed that can determin what your DSL 'speed' will be. Includeing, but not only, what type of equipment may or may not be installed inside the cabinet, what the network design is after the cabinet and the section you can effect, the wireing inside your house.

Copper telephone networks are generaly built out from an exchange like branchs of a tree with cabinets placed out on the bigger limbs and just like in nature each limb, branch, twig etc is diffrent.

Ok, thanks. I will have a look at the line stats next time I go to see her. Also, she is in a VDSL2 area (>20Mbps on Chorus Maps).

if shes only getting 3mbit, and is in a vdsl area, chances are highly likely that an internal wiring issue is the problem..

Highly likely as it is a old house and is a rental, will do some line tests next time I visit

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