Point to point link - telco assistance please

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MichaelNZ

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#150778 2-Aug-2014 19:31

I'm looking at obtaining a point to point link via a copper based service. xDSL would be fine and ideally layer 2. I've been out of the loop on telco offers for some time now so was hoping the Geekzone community could give me an idea of what is available. Last time I took an interest in private P2P data links, Telecom called it IP Office (and quoted obscene monopoly prices) and Frame Relay was still a 'thing'. So I'm a bit out of date. What offerings/price is out there these days to provision a non fibre point to point link?

Situation - Wanganui area and 2-10Mbps.

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#1100842 2-Aug-2014 20:10

If you are in Wanganui area look at Inspire for a wireless service. They will do a managed VLAN and it works very very well. Latency is superb and pricing is no more than you would for a DSL service. They can give you pretty much any CIR you are willing to pay for.

Edit: Just as an aside, Frame relay is still a thing for the NZ Rail IT techs haha.

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#1100843 2-Aug-2014 20:13

chevrolux: If you are in Wanganui area look at Inspire for a wireless service. They will do a managed VLAN and it works very very well. Latency is superb and pricing is no more than you would for a DSL service. They can give you pretty much any CIR you are willing to pay for.

Edit: Just as an aside, Frame relay is still a thing for the NZ Rail IT techs haha.

I'm not looking for a wireless service. I have ordered my UFB from Inspire though. What are they like?

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#1100844 2-Aug-2014 20:14

A couple of VDSL connections and an IPSec tunnel should give you circa 10mbps even without hardware acceleration - cheapest option but not as good as a dedicated link.

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#1100846 2-Aug-2014 20:22

MichaelNZ:
chevrolux: If you are in Wanganui area look at Inspire for a wireless service. They will do a managed VLAN and it works very very well. Latency is superb and pricing is no more than you would for a DSL service. They can give you pretty much any CIR you are willing to pay for.

Edit: Just as an aside, Frame relay is still a thing for the NZ Rail IT techs haha.

I'm not looking for a wireless service. I have ordered my UFB from Inspire though. What are they like?

Inspire are awesome. We recommend them to all our customers.

Why won't you use wireless though? I can assure you it is just as good if not better than a DSL service. And like I mentioned, latency is so dam low on the Inspire network.

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#1100887 2-Aug-2014 21:00

chevrolux:
Why won't you use wireless though? I can assure you it is just as good if not better than a DSL service. And like I mentioned, latency is so dam low on the Inspire network.

Thanks for your feedback.

I am not interested in wireless for this application due to:

1. Equipment cost

2. Limited coverage

3. Wireless service provider networks just never seem to work well or reliably.

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#1100890 2-Aug-2014 21:14

MichaelNZ:
chevrolux:
Why won't you use wireless though? I can assure you it is just as good if not better than a DSL service. And like I mentioned, latency is so dam low on the Inspire network.

Thanks for your feedback.

I am not interested in wireless for this application due to:

1. Equipment cost

2. Limited coverage

3. Wireless service provider networks just never seem to work well or reliably.

just to follow on from Chevrolux

1 Inspire provide the Equipment
2 Inspire wireless network links are all over the lower half of the north Island (and beyond)
3 Wireless is there core business - they still woundnt be in business if they were unreliable

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#1100891 2-Aug-2014 21:14

MichaelNZ:
chevrolux:
Why won't you use wireless though? I can assure you it is just as good if not better than a DSL service. And like I mentioned, latency is so dam low on the Inspire network.

Thanks for your feedback.

I am not interested in wireless for this application due to:

1. Equipment cost

2. Limited coverage

3. Wireless service provider networks just never seem to work well or reliably.

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#1100892 2-Aug-2014 21:18

MichaelNZ:
chevrolux:
Why won't you use wireless though? I can assure you it is just as good if not better than a DSL service. And like I mentioned, latency is so dam low on the Inspire network.

Thanks for your feedback.

I am not interested in wireless for this application due to:

1. Equipment cost

2. Limited coverage

3. Wireless service provider networks just never seem to work well or reliably.

It's fine discounting wireless but I wouldn't class any of the above 3 as a valid reason.

Super low latency and good symmetrical speeds are what you want for multisite link.

As you haven't really specified any actual key requirements such as speed, VLAN support, latency, whether it needs to be L2/L3 for such a link it's not really possible to offer sound advice.

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#1100894 2-Aug-2014 21:29

InstallerUFB:
just to follow on from Chevrolux

1 Inspire provide the Equipment
2 Inspire wireless network links are all over the lower half of the north Island (and beyond)
3 Wireless is there core business - they still woundnt be in business if they were unreliable

Wireless is and has always been the option of last resort for locations where no alternative is available. There are plenty of ISP's out there offering wireless services (who are still in business), but most often, their clients have no alternative. Wireless is not cheap either and even less so with the continued rollout of copper based broadband services causing ISP's to have fewer clients per wireless POP.

Wireless on ISM bands is congested and crappy. Not sure if any wireless ISP's have licensed frequencies but their equipment won't be cheap.

The only time I'd consider it for WAN (where there was a cabled option available) is for a point to point line of sight link where I owned both ends.

The suggestion before about 2 VDSL connections via an ISP was closer, but I'd rather have a non tunneled layer 2 connection. Maybe an ISP can sell me a couple of DSL links setup this way?

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#1100906 2-Aug-2014 22:29

Are we talking across town?

if so why not use something like
Ubiquiti AirGrid M2 20dBi 600mW High Power CPE

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#1100917 2-Aug-2014 23:36

You're best speaking to the likes of Unleash, Vibe, Vocus, Callplus etc, all of whom will be able to price up a solution for you once they know the exact two locations. It all depends on what access mediums are available so it's hard to give out any estimates.

For a 10mbps service they'd probably look at using HSNS

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#1100923 2-Aug-2014 23:51

Inspire is very very VERY far from an unreliable, one-man-band, wisp.

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#1101006 3-Aug-2014 10:22

Thank you to the people who have offered reasonable answers.

To the wireless fanboi's - I am not after a wireless connection. Do you understand this?

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#1101027 3-Aug-2014 10:48

Michael: What is the Budget/Month?
Are the 2 points within the UFF UFB Area

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#1101028 3-Aug-2014 10:51

LennonNZ: Michael: What is the Budget/Month?
Are the 2 points within the UFF UFB Area

One end is within UFB area, the other not. For this link I would prefer a copper service for ease/speed of installation and widespread availability.

I am seeking a low cost way to link from home to the office - preferably layer 2.

A couple of VDSL connections would do the job fine bandwidth, cost and performance wise.

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