Fibre install tomorrow ONT placement advice needed

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#247971 5-Mar-2019 18:21

Decided to make the leap last week and upgrade from VDSL to fibre. My new ISP (Orcon), duly booked with Chorus my scoping date which was set for tomorrow, and the install date would be next Tuesday the 12th, very impressed with the efficiency. Get a call from the Chorus tech first thing this morning; they are going to do the scoping and install at the same time tomorrow. So I'm going to have to make a very quick decision in regards to the placement of the ONT, and I'm not sure what my options are, can anyone please help? My current external connection is a cat5e Ethernet cable into the green conduit. This cable installed as part of a new build is around 30 meters long that goes up the wall cavity through the closed ceiling space to a patch panel near the PC with the router plugged into it. My question is will I be able to use this setup to have the ONT installed near the patch panel or will I need to locate it on the inside wall from where the ETP is located?

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#2191496 5-Mar-2019 18:47

You will want to get the ONT installed either next to your patch panel, or next to one of the data outlets around the house that come from the patch panel. If next to an outlet, ideally one that has two or more sockets.

What can be achieved will depend on the circumstances of the house.

What do you mean by “closed ceiling space”. Is it a skillion roof, that has no ceiling cavity, or is there a space that someone can climb inside (usually through a hatch)?

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#2191509 5-Mar-2019 19:01

There is no ceiling cavity that's why I'm hoping I can use the existing cable that is already in place. I've done some research but I'm still not clear on the connection options between the ETP and the ONT. cheers

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#2191514 5-Mar-2019 19:12

You will want it placed somewhere that you can have a single UPS running your ONT, your router, and switches etc.

I couldnt do that because they wont drill asbestos containing cladding, so it had to go on a weatherboard wall. So I now have a seperate UPS just for the ONT. Annoying.

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#2191515 5-Mar-2019 19:13

ETP connects to ONT via single mode fibre.

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#2191524 5-Mar-2019 19:29

Oh, that doesn't sound too promising. I think that means it will have to go on the inside wall from the ETP. Right in the middle of the lounge wall. The Boss will go sideways :\

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#2191573 5-Mar-2019 20:02

tsee:

Decided to make the leap last week and upgrade from VDSL to fibre. My new ISP (Orcon), duly booked with Chorus my scoping date which was set for tomorrow, and the install date would be next Tuesday the 12th, very impressed with the efficiency. Get a call from the Chorus tech first thing this morning; they are going to do the scoping and install at the same time tomorrow. So I'm going to have to make a very quick decision in regards to the placement of the ONT, and I'm not sure what my options are, can anyone please help? My current external connection is a cat5e Ethernet cable into the green conduit. This cable installed as part of a new build is around 30 meters long that goes up the wall cavity through the closed ceiling space to a patch panel near the PC with the router plugged into it. My question is will I be able to use this setup to have the ONT installed near the patch panel or will I need to locate it on the inside wall from where the ETP is located?

Chorus is only required to place it as close as possible to the street fibre point. Although this was relaxed a little for flexibility in the last couple of years, it hasnt become 'whatever the homeowner wants'.

If you want the fibre shot up your conduit into the ceiling space, based on what you've written it sounds like about 40m of cabling. Unless you happen to get a very generous installer who isn't that precious - i sincerely doubt any of them exist - except to be asked to stump up some dollars for the extra length and work required. They should quote you.

Assuming of course they entertain the notion. This website is full of people having mixed experiences from diabolical to downright unbelievable :-)

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#2191627 5-Mar-2019 20:32

Yep I suspect the boss will be going sideway. One of the biggest challenges of the UFB is not getting it to your house, although that can be a challenge as many GZ members can attest, but once landed how to reticulate around your home. You say it's a recent new build did not these issues arise in conversation at that time.

Back to the problem at hand, you say in the middle of a lounge wall is it really exposed or could a simple in wall cabinet be installed to house the ONT.

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#2191629 5-Mar-2019 20:41

We just had a fibre install done this week.
They will put the ONT on the house as close as practicable to where the fibre arrives at the outside wall of your house. They will place it up a wall but only to a height that can be still be reached without a ladder. UFF techtold me there are 5 ports available - you can get an additional 3 ports brought in to your property - so the ONT must be accessible without ladder for these hypothetical future extra connections.

Short answer : nope.

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#2191661 5-Mar-2019 21:04

Yutani: We just had a fibre install done this week.
They will put the ONT on the house as close as practicable to where the fibre arrives at the outside wall of your house. They will place it up a wall but only to a height that can be still be reached without a ladder. UFF techtold me there are 5 ports available - you can get an additional 3 ports brought in to your property - so the ONT must be accessible without ladder for these hypothetical future extra connections.

Short answer : nope.

But Yutani, I guess you are still happy you got fibre, not all parts of the apparent 1st world can get that, I mean 25Mb/s is all you should ever need, a fact endorsed by the Guvment :).

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#2191674 5-Mar-2019 21:22

cyril7:
Yutani: We just had a fibre install done this week.
They will put the ONT on the house as close as practicable to where the fibre arrives at the outside wall of your house. They will place it up a wall but only to a height that can be still be reached without a ladder. UFF techtold me there are 5 ports available - you can get an additional 3 ports brought in to your property - so the ONT must be accessible without ladder for these hypothetical future extra connections.

Short answer : nope.

But Yutani, I guess you are still happy you got fibre, not all parts of the apparent 1st world can get that, I mean 25Mb/s is all you should ever need, a fact endorsed by the Guvment :).

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#2191678 5-Mar-2019 21:27

A question: The wiring on my house was overseen by the previous owner and I'm not really sure what connects to anything.

My existing phone line (I'm an ADSL user) enters the house at the far corner of the garage and I plug my router via an ADSL splitter-filter dongle that plugs into a wall phone outlet in my Study. And my Study is about as far from the garage as its possible to be and still be in the same building.

When Chorus finally inform me and my ISP that my neighbourhood is ready for fibre, will their initial response be to stick their ONT unit in the far corner for the garage where the exist phone line enters the building?

Do I as the customer get any say in the matter?

BTW This all assumes they follow the existing phone cable wiring from their fibre cable on the edge of my property and under the lawn and concrete to my garage wall.

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#2191822 5-Mar-2019 22:31

Thank you to everyone who replied. I now know what to expect tomorrow (unless the tech comes out with something completely left field). If the ONT has to go on the lounge wall, it will currently be hidden by a couch. The problem is it was going to be rearranging the furniture time this weekend - and the couch was going to be relocated - I guess not now, ouch! 😬

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#2191873 6-Mar-2019 02:46

tsee:
Thank you to everyone who replied. I now know what to expect tomorrow (unless the tech comes out with something completely left field). If the ONT has to go on the lounge wall, it will currently be hidden by a couch. The problem is it was going to be rearranging the furniture time this weekend - and the couch was going to be relocated - I guess not now, ouch! 😬

The contractors vary in quality. They have rules they have to follow. There is some latitude. Hope all goes well for you & a sensible compromise is arrived tomorrow.

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#2191874 6-Mar-2019 05:40

@tsee given you have conduit with cat 5 cable in it running from where the ETP would be to the patch panel chorus should be able to use the cat5 cable as a draw string and pull through the fibre from the ETP to the patch panel and install the ONT there. that is what I would expect them to do.

@rogercruse you do get some say in the matter but unless its easy for the technician, and doesn't involve any work that requires running a cable inside a wall you might be SOOL. also given your distances they might not want to do it, remember they do it as cheaply and as quickly as possible now

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#2192278 6-Mar-2019 15:24

rogercruse:

A question: The wiring on my house was overseen by the previous owner and I'm not really sure what connects to anything.

My existing phone line (I'm an ADSL user) enters the house at the far corner of the garage and I plug my router via an ADSL splitter-filter dongle that plugs into a wall phone outlet in my Study. And my Study is about as far from the garage as its possible to be and still be in the same building.

When Chorus finally inform me and my ISP that my neighbourhood is ready for fibre, will their initial response be to stick their ONT unit in the far corner for the garage where the exist phone line enters the building?

Do I as the customer get any say in the matter?

BTW This all assumes they follow the existing phone cable wiring from their fibre cable on the edge of my property and under the lawn and concrete to my garage wall.

I've only been in NZ a couple of months.

Our cousin one street away ordered & received Fibre.

The day after the job was done their neighbor complained of blocked drains.

A couple of months of animosity ensued.. a plumber brought in a fibrre optic camera.. the UFF tech had stuffed the fibre down the neighbor's drain, broken through the plastic wall & continued the entrenchment on to cousins house.

That explained the drainage blockage & enormous wet spot in the neighbors yard.

Only your Chorus/UFF tech know where the cables lead in & where they will go.

Pray they don't shove it up a neighbors drain also....... 🤪

Cheers!

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