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hrafn

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#1337160 4-Jul-2015 23:05

Jase2985:
hrafn:
(i) Your original wording was "pretty much every ISP in NZ", not "% of connections". (ii) In trying to ascertain the requirements of an ISP it is irrelevant to me, as a potential new customer, whether they have 1,000,000 existing connections or 1. They are each simply yet another set of undocumented, idiosyncratic requirements.

Your nit picking for the sake of it.

No. You made an incorrect claim ("you need to find a VLAN 10 capiable device fore pretty much every ISP in NZ"), then nit-picked over "% of connections" -- which is irrelevant to customer evaluation of ISPs' offering.

My uni has N150 access points which operate on 2.4 and 5Ghz. I can get 100mbps out of them on a speedtest.

As the TP150 is only single-band, this is again irrelevant. And I doubt if dual-band N150 is that common (I don't think I've seen it below N450).

it is what it is, move on. complaining isnt going to help you.

...and "what it is" is stupid and self-defeating. I would have happily "move[d] on" quite some time ago, if you hadn't insisted on claiming, at considerable length, that this was in some way a smart move on Slingshot's behalf. My original comment was after all merely in passing ("That information appears to be completely absent on ISPs' FAQs and documentation"), rather than any lengthy complaint or rant.

hrafn

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#1337165 4-Jul-2015 23:24

Detruire: Are you talking about it slowing down on the device/s you're moving files from/to, or about other devices on the network? If the former, then that just sounds like you're saturating the port bandwidth... in which case a better router isn't going to be any different to a gigabit switch attached to the tripleplay.

Yes, the bootleneck (currently) is in the local port -- which is one of the reasons I'm looking at upgrading the network for fibre. However, it seems suboptimal to do so in a way that creates new, known, bottlenecks, if they can be avoided. I can live with a 100Mbps bottleneck, but would prefer to avoid one if feasible. The current network is made up of ad-hoc incremental additions, that would be massively sub-optimal for a green-fields build with current technology. I'm exploring how to minimise the future bottlenecks with the minimum outlay (and device-clutter).

Currently Darkshadow's advice of "paying Slingshot a few bucks to keep your email address, and switching to another ISP" looks like a good idea, if achievable.

hrafn

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#1337166 4-Jul-2015 23:31

Signal to noise (in terms of information that opens up new possibilities) seems to have dropped off recently, so I've decided to set DarkShadow's advice of "paying Slingshot a few bucks to keep your email address, and switching to another ISP" as The Answer and, if I can do this, most probably go to MyRepublic (phone-off-ONT, which is what I wanted in the first place, good range of decent-specced, name-brand supported routers).

Thanks for your help.

Jase2985

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#1337199 5-Jul-2015 08:27

it sounds like your issues are internal and all you need is a Gbit switch as a few others have said.

all those devices that MyRepublic do would have been devices people would have recommended had you have been asking for a device that didnt require a phone line. which could have been managed by a separate ATA device.

you are also locked into a 24month contract

hrafn

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#1337350 5-Jul-2015 17:08

Jase2985: "those devices that MyRepublic do" I had already been looking at before I learned of Slingshot's restrictions. Given those restrictions, they were irrelevant to the conversation, so I did not bring them up (until I learned that I could leave Slingshot but retain email addresses).

(MR also offer 12-month and uncontracted rates.)

The pertinent pieces of information for my decision were (i) the diversity of ISP requirements (particularly the 'UFB ISPs and VLAN Tagging' table), (ii) the limiting and/or complex ways of meeting Slingshot's requirements & (iii) that I could pay Slingshot to keep my email addresses for a while. For these pieces of information, I am grateful.

The 'internal issues' were largely irrelevant to plans (which include a major network upgrade for fibre in any case), and were only ever mentioned as an example of how computer networks are not unidirectional and require sufficient bandwidth to 'walk and chew gum' at the same time (which is true whether bottleneck is the RGW+WiFi-to-switch circuit or the local network port). Focusing on those issues is therefore missing the point.

I suppose it is my maths background showing -- any piece of information that does not introduce or eliminate a binding constraint is considered irrelevant to the optimisation.

zyo

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#1368632 18-Aug-2015 14:29

Obitalk ATA is extremely good and I imported a couple of them and they are superior to Cisco ATA as far as I know.

webwat

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#1376518 30-Aug-2015 18:33

hrafn:
DarkShadow: You can't use the phone ports on the ONT if you want to use Slingshot phone. If you want to use those ports then you'll have to choose another company, MyRepublic or Spark for example.

That's unfortunate, as it will restrict me to a very small number of available gigabit routers (most probably one or two Netcomm models, it I want affordable and known namebrand) and 802.11n (no 802.11ac models seem to have a phone jack, though a few of them do claim SIP).

I would however prefer not to move away from Slingshot, if I can avoid it, as migrating email addresses tends to be a real pain.

However you could still ask Slingshot to retain your copper landline service if you really need to. Benefits are the phone exchange provides the landline and doesn't go down during a power outage, plus no house rewiring required. Slingshot techs don't seem to connect the phone output on the router to the house wiring properly, as least with the one I saw. Internal house phone lines must be disconnected from the outside landline and then be fed by the router's phone output instead. FX1 and FX2 allow you to have 2 different phone numbers.

Time to find a new industry!

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