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Gunner61582

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#76436 2-Feb-2011 11:45
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I am a lawyer in Lower Hutt and I have no programming experience.

Towards the end of 2010 my wife decided to set up a hairdressing salon in High Street, Lower Hutt.

My wife has no knowledge of things technical and like a lot of people, computer technology and my wife are a poor combination at best.

I decided that as the telephony world would ultimately be voip, I would a naked DSL connection which would provide for eftpos and telephone service.

I already had a voip connection at home with Kiwilink which connected through Saturn cable and a Linksys pap2 adapter to a portable analogue phone.

I have been more than happy with the service of Kiwilink in regard to this connection.

I purchased a D-Link DSL-2730B ethernet router from Harvey Normans, and two Yealink SIP-T26P phones from Nicegear in Timaru.

I wish to say at this point that I am less than happy with the after sales service provided by Nicegear. The quality of service has been next to non existent, and that company has walked away from the configuration issue which I believe is the route cause of my problems with the phones.

The phones arrived late November or early December prior to the opening of the salon so I set up one phone in my office which is upstairs from the salon. My ISP in the office is Woosh.

The only information which I was given by Kiwilink was the username, password, and sip setting. In my previous dealing with Kiwilink they had mentioned the stun setting.

After I set up the phone I found that when I was on a call the voice at the other end was breaking up and I could hardly hear the other person.

I contact Nicegear by phone and was told that this problem was probably an ISP issue, or maybe codecs, and as Hadley Rich was not familiar with Kiwilink he could not help me ( ie was not interested in helping).

I installed one phone in the salon, but my wife experienced the same problem, although the person on the other end could hear perfectly well.

I went back to Hadley Rich but was told that the problem was either the fault of the ISP or was a configuration issue, but he did not make any suggestions as to the configuration setup. Kiwilink was no more helpful because I had not purchased the phones from them. They would have supplied Linksys phones.

So I brought the Linksys pap2 adapter and phone form home and connected this to the router. This phone worked perfectly.

I should say that the only devices connected to the router are the phone and the eftpos machine.

When I first set up the phone I did not put an entry into the Outbound proxy server field.

I did though put Stun into the NAT Traversal field, with stun.kiwilink.co.nz as the reference.

After taking up a lot of time searching on the internet I decided to enter sip.kiwilink.co.nz into the Outbound proxy Server field.

My wife said that she could hear the voice on the other end perfectly as a result of this change, but when the phone rang and she went to answer it, it cut out.

I suspect that I now may have a conflict between the various port assignments as the sip Port, the Outbound Proxy Server Port and the backup Outbound Proxy Server port all use port 5060.

When I tried changing the Outbound proxy server port to 5083 I could not get the phone to register.

Can someone help me with the configuration of these phones? And do I need an entry in the Backup outbound proxy server port field, and what about transport? Is UDP correct?

I can email to any reader the various pages from the setup menu in tiff format.

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hads
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  #434210 2-Feb-2011 12:10
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Gunner61582: I wish to say at this point that I am less than happy with the after sales service provided by Nicegear. The quality of service has been next to non existent, and that company has walked away from the configuration issue which I believe is the route cause of my problems with the phones.

The phones arrived late November or early December prior to the opening of the salon so I set up one phone in my office which is upstairs from the salon. My ISP in the office is Woosh.

The only information which I was given by Kiwilink was the username, password, and sip setting. In my previous dealing with Kiwilink they had mentioned the stun setting.

After I set up the phone I found that when I was on a call the voice at the other end was breaking up and I could hardly hear the other person.

I contact Nicegear by phone and was told that this problem was probably an ISP issue, or maybe codecs, and as Hadley Rich was not familiar with Kiwilink he could not help me ( ie was not interested in helping).

I installed one phone in the salon, but my wife experienced the same problem, although the person on the other end could hear perfectly well.

I went back to Hadley Rich but was told that the problem was either the fault of the ISP or was a configuration issue, but he did not make any suggestions as to the configuration setup.  


Hi there,

I'm sorry that you are unhappy with our service. We do try and assist as much as possible and it's not the case that I wasn't interested in helping.

There are many variables with VoIP deployments which can make it difficult for people who don't have experience to set it up. As I mentioned in my email to you on the 13th of January the problem was quite possible a bandwidth/codec choice issue.

Hadley Rich: If you connection speed isn't ideal it may help to change the codecs
being used in the phone to suit.

You are welcome to return the phone for an exchange, our standard
non-faulty restocking fee is 15% though I am happy to drop that to 5%
for you since it is unopened.
 

I also offered a chance for you to return the phone to us.

If there is anything else we can do for you please feel free to contact me directly.

All the best,

Hadley Rich
nicegear 






Gunner61582

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  #434240 2-Feb-2011 12:53
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Thank you Mr Rich for your very helpful advice.  I would have thought that the least you could do is to advise on some of the configuration issues.

 

I would most certainly go out of my way to recommend your company in the future.

 

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  #434249 2-Feb-2011 13:03
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Hi again,

As mentioned I'm not personally familiar with Kiwilink so don't know how their service is set up, if they are on Geekzone perhaps they will be able to join in and assist also (maybe this could be moved the to the VoIP forum?).

For most providers all you will need to fill out is the SIP server address, username (often the phone number) and password.

Most VoIP devices come preconfigured to use port 5060 UDP which is a default, you shouldn't need to change that. 5083 probably didn't work because Kiwilink quite possibly don't use that port at their end.

It may be beneficial to talk to a local VoIP consultant as they could likely get things sorted out for you quite quickly.

Regards,

Hadley Rich






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  #434261 2-Feb-2011 13:27
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Gunner61582: You are unfairly dumping on Hadley of nicegear.

A few points here:

The Yealink phones are excellent value and quality phones. I use two of them - one on my desk at work, and one at home. They are relatively easy to setup and use. But only if you have at least a basic level of experience with VoIP.
VoIP can be a complex thing to set up, especially if your SIP service provider is less than helpful. There can be many and varied gotchas along the way.
You effectively have at least three or four separate elements involved in a VoIP setup: the IP phone or ATA, the router/firewall, the ISPs connection/service, and the SIP service provider.

Nicegear is effectively a low margin, low cost distributor of VoIP products.
It is my personal experience, and that of several of my friends, that Hadley is fair, honest, knowledgeable & helpful.
Hadley owes you no duty as to how you use the products he sells. If you don't have the knowledge as to how to configure and use the products - that's not his fault or responsibility. He'd go broke in a hurry if he had to provide "free" assistance for every phone deployment to all the various SIP service providers out there. He's right - the SIP service provider is the one to turn to if you have problems setting up IP phones on their service.

It would seem to me that you went for a low cost telephony solution for your wife's salon, which is in itself a perfectly reasonable thing to do. But then you have gone and expected high levels of free consulting/assistance, which is not at all reasonable.
I doubt very much you would be happy giving your time away in a similar fashion.

If you wanted to have no problems you could have purchased a slightly more expensive POTS line.
Or, you could have purchased a full VoIP solution from one of the many Internet telephony service providers out there. Then you would have had one place to call to resolve any issues.

So, to summarise:
1. Don't dump on Hadley - he is a very, very good person.
2. Congratulations on choosing the Yealink - they are IMHO a very good phone.
3. Unless you like the idea of spending quite a bit of time to learn about VoIP, SIP, IP and their vagaries, get a turnkey solution from your provider of choice. Make it their problem.

If you do like the idea of learning more about VoIP etc, then by all means persevere. It will be frustrating from time to time, but it can also be fun.

Good luck.












kind regards Andrew TD


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