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#2177206 12-Feb-2019 15:54

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What isn't covered, is what is happening for all the bars, restaurants, and other group viewing situations. How is that going to be licensed/catered for.

I feel a partnership with Sky is all but essential.

I wonder whether they will be supplying a satellite feed in those situations.

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#2177207 12-Feb-2019 15:56

To get a sat feed will mean partnering with Sky otherwise it would be on FreeSAT which could not control access as its not setup for that.

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#2177208 12-Feb-2019 15:58

Well, as far as I am concerned, the only company with capacity for that is Sky.

TVNZ's coverage of the Commonwealth games was a joke.

Less events at the RWC, perhaps 3-5 games a day IIRC, so perhaps TVNZ could do a popup, but as far as I understand FTA will only be 7 Games?

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#2177213 12-Feb-2019 16:09

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Well, as far as I am concerned, the only company with capacity for that is Sky.

TVNZ's coverage of the Commonwealth games was a joke.

Less events at the RWC, perhaps 3-5 games a day IIRC, so perhaps TVNZ could do a popup, but as far as I understand FTA will only be 7 Games?

At the moment FTA is only 7 games. 1 of those is the opening match and 1 is the final. Both live.

https://www.tvnz.co.nz/content/tvnz/tvnz-sales/news/spark-new-zealand-and-tvnz-to-bring-coverage-of-rugby-world-cup-.html

Re-reading the Herald piece, the Plan B that the Herald think might be happening, is that the Spark will screen the AB's games live, then delayed by an hour on TVNZ. The exception to this is the semi's and final which would be live on TVNZ

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#2177216 12-Feb-2019 16:19

In this article from April 2018, Spark Managing Director Simon Moutter said kiwi's could have access to all RWC games for around $100, maybe more, maybe less

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=12033353

I wonder if this is still the case with the other sports Spark now has, or will they treat the tournament is a one off, a bit like a Pay per view fight.

One thing is for certain, we as kiwi sports fans will be paying more....some to Sky for the the sports they still have, and some to Spark for the sports they have.

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#2177220 12-Feb-2019 16:28

WyleECoyoteNZ:

In this article from April 2018, Spark Managing Director Simon Moutter said kiwi's could have access to all RWC games for around $100, maybe more, maybe less

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=12033353

I wonder if this is still the case with the other sports Spark now has, or will they treat the tournament is a one off, a bit like a Pay per view fight.

One thing is for certain, we as kiwi sports fans will be paying more....some to Sky for the the sports they still have, and some to Spark for the sports they have.

Welcome to market "competition" (which for us means fragmenttion) which people were so sure would be a good thing, but soon once people realize what that's all about, the complaining will start.

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#2177221 12-Feb-2019 16:35

Spark Sport are using iStreamPlanet to process / encode the incoming stream from Japan and using Akamia as the delivery network. Both big players in their fields.

If iStreamPlanet can process and stream the Super Bowl and PyeongChang 2018 Olympics, I'm pretty sure they can handle a sport the rest of the world don't really care about.

What it comes down to is
1) How Spark manages the access, the features of the streams and the client programs, which we wont know with any certainty until they go live with something.
2) How well New Zealands internet infrastructure can handle, potentially 500k devices viewing the streams at the same time. Which we propably wont know untill the operning game kicks off.

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#2177222 12-Feb-2019 16:36

networkn:

Benoire:

They might resell to Sky, similar to how BEin has done with the EPL but if you have no digital devices then your out of luck and would have to use a laptop connected or sit at the computer... If you don't have any of those (like my father in law) then you won't until the game is either shown FTA or the latter stages which should be FTA.

If that ends up the case, then I think that would be disgraceful.

I do understand that technology is changing, but it's not changing THAT fast. We are a widely distributed group of humans, and anyone allowed to bid for coverage should have been required to cater for the majority as Sky manages to do.

They did this with golf a few years ago, probably before smart tvs became a thing. It was a PIA. My grandmother stopped watching it, I never bothered. I don't want to go to that trouble of having a laptop plugged in. Probably more elegant solutions now, but it's much easier having golf back on Sky. Just something to have on the background.

Didn't they do this with the English Premier League a few years back?

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#2177225 12-Feb-2019 16:40

On that I posted earlier but it’s gone
I asked how many would watch AFL in Oz ? Masses I expect but unsure how many online. The video mentioned that sport I think as they talked to providers over there. My gut feel is they are dotting the i’s and crossing the t’s

Our broadband I’m sure is better than theirs? Annecdotally it seems so

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#2177234 12-Feb-2019 17:20

djtOtago:

Spark Sport are using iStreamPlanet to process / encode the incoming stream from Japan and using Akamia as the delivery network. Both big players in their fields.

If iStreamPlanet can process and stream the Super Bowl and PyeongChang 2018 Olympics, I'm pretty sure they can handle a sport the rest of the world don't really care about.

What it comes down to is
1) How Spark manages the access, the features of the streams and the client programs, which we wont know with any certainty until they go live with something.
2) How well New Zealands internet infrastructure can handle, potentially 500k devices viewing the streams at the same time. Which we propably wont know untill the operning game kicks off.

And we know how the Superbowl went, dont we?? Only 2.6m streams across America - and still the apps crash. For 350m people and more than 100m HH's thats a pretty low proportion of streamed viewing. As usual most people watched the Superbowl on TV. Is the RWC offloading most of its viewing capability to TV's? Its streaming or nothing in all but 7 matches.

https://awfulannouncing.com/streaming/cbs-streaming-apps-crashed-late-in-the-super-bowl-for-many.html

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#2177254 12-Feb-2019 17:39

Benoire:
Probably not the shield, spark seem to have an exclusive license with Sony which is why lightbox is only on Sony Android TVs; doesn't stop you getting the app eventually but it requires someone to upload the apk and remove the device limitation as per the freeview app.

This sounds incorrect. Existing Lightbox app is provided in Samsung store and runs on Samsung TVs running Tizen OS not derived from Android. Are you saying it's different for RWC?

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#2177255 12-Feb-2019 17:42

gzt: This sounds incorrect. Existing Lightbox app is provided in Samsung store and runs on Samsung TVs running Tizen OS not derived from Android. Are you saying it's different for RWC?

I was referring to Android TV only, Samsung doesn't use it as you mentioned and I had to sideload the app on to my Shield TVs but its native only on the Sony TVs.

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#2177271 12-Feb-2019 18:03

ockel:

And we know how the Superbowl went, dont we?? Only 2.6m streams across America - and still the apps crash. For 350m people and more than 100m HH's thats a pretty low proportion of streamed viewing. As usual most people watched the Superbowl on TV. Is the RWC offloading most of its viewing capability to TV's? Its streaming or nothing in all but 7 matches.

https://awfulannouncing.com/streaming/cbs-streaming-apps-crashed-late-in-the-super-bowl-for-many.html

I believe iStreamPlanet did Super Bowl LII, not the last Super Bowl LIII.

From memory it was only apps on Roku device that crashed. But I could be wrong.

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#2177272 12-Feb-2019 18:08

gzt:
This sounds incorrect. Existing Lightbox app is provided in Samsung store and runs on Samsung TVs running Tizen OS not derived from Android. Are you saying it's different for RWC?

There are a few different manufactures running Android TV on their TVs, But the Lightbox app is only officially available for Sony Android TVs.

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#2177275 12-Feb-2019 18:12

Benoire:
gzt: This sounds incorrect. Existing Lightbox app is provided in Samsung store and runs on Samsung TVs running Tizen OS not derived from Android. Are you saying it's different for RWC?

I was referring to Android TV only, Samsung doesn't use it as you mentioned and I had to sideload the app on to my Shield TVs but its native only on the Sony TVs.

I’m fairly sure Lightbox has been all the Samsung Tv’s I’ve installed recently.

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