2019 Novel Coronavirus Covid-19 Discussion

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Master Geek

#2634129 12-Jan-2021 11:25

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wellygary:

Well it looks like Victoria are about to throw a bit of a spanner into the works of travel bubbles, both within Australia and possible with NZ also.

Not sure requiring any Australian who wants to Visit VIC to apply for a permit is going to go down well with the Federal Govt.... mind you ScoMo's opinions of Dan the Man are already pretty low...

"every part of the country coded either red, orange or green for the purposes of travel into our state."

"Red zone (such as Greater Sydney and Brisbane): A red zone means that you will not be allowed to enter Victoria without an exception, permitted worker permit or exemption.

Orange zone (such as regional NSW): Those travelling from a designated orange zone must apply for a permit to enter Victoria. You cannot apply for a permit if you have coronavirus (COVID-19) symptoms, nor if you have visited a red zone.

Green zone (everywhere else right now): Those travelling from a designated green zone must apply for a permit to enter Victoria. You cannot apply for a permit if you have coronavirus (COVID-19) symptoms, nor if you have visited a red zon

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-01-11/coronavirus-live-news-covid19-brisbane-lockdown/13046370

how does this even work, do you just get asked if you have been to red zone and if it is ,what idiot would say yes. It is unworkable.

No different to WAs G2G pass. Except WA have health screening on arrival. I don’t think Melbourne does. You can hold a cough in, hide a sore throat etc. Quick permit checks aren’t the same.

The permits are based on an honesty system and it’s largely worked well enough elsewhere.

When cases previously had settled, the requirement for permits were dropped from Queensland and I think South Australia. I’d hope for similar later. It’s a waste of resources when there’s very little virus circulating.

PolicyGuy: Australian PM already gave the ok for NZ to take a state by state approach last year so that’s definitely not the hold up.

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#2634171 12-Jan-2021 12:15

Reports that all incoming traveler are soon to be required to provide a negative Covid test, announcement pending apparently.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/government-poised-to-announce-new-wider-ranging-pre-departure-covid-19-testing-rules/U2JNF5ZHTOSLFZSGBUDQ2D5TNM

This would be a decisive and laudable step if we take it.

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#2634299 12-Jan-2021 13:42

That URLs now old

Updated: https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/covid-19-coronavirus-government-announces-new-covid-testing-rules/C4QQPKH2I6J7HZC3ODHBJBNTOY/

From what I can tell. 0/1 day is no longer optional (I think MIQ you could refuse in some cases and take it at the end of stay?)

From today, passengers from anywhere in the world, excluding Australia, Antarctica and some Pacific Island nations, will be required to undergo Day 0/1 testing upon arrival in New Zealand.

This expands on measures already in place for passengers from the UK and US.

And there is now a change to allow power to enable all countries have pre-departure test. Which can be enacted next week

But per earlier, a lot of transit airports and airlines already require this anyway. It's just about to become part of entry requirement this end. And it's 72hrs, which is longer than in some of those cases.

wellygary

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#2634300 12-Jan-2021 13:46

GV27:

Reports that all incoming traveler are soon to be required to provide a negative Covid test, announcement pending apparently.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/government-poised-to-announce-new-wider-ranging-pre-departure-covid-19-testing-rules/U2JNF5ZHTOSLFZSGBUDQ2D5TNM

This would be a decisive and laudable step if we take it.

Yip, just Announced,

All arrivals ( ex OZ/pacific) will now have arrival tests, and authorization has been issued to be demand pre-departure PCRs from said same departure locations... ( assuming it will kick in this week or early next)

https://www.beehive.govt.nz/release/additional-actions-keep-covid-19-out-nz

“Today I am announcing that passengers from any destination excluding Australia, Antarctica and some Pacific Island nations will be required to undergo Day 0/1 testing upon arrival in New Zealand. "

“I have also today signed further amendments to our Air Border Order which include:

from 11.59pm on Friday 15 January, travellers arriving on all flights from the UK and US must have had a negative test result for COVID-19 in the 72 hours before their departure
the Director-General of Health is now formally authorised to and will soon expand the pre-departure test requirement to all countries and territories excluding Australia, Antarctica and some Pacific Island nations.

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#2634301 12-Jan-2021 13:52

Oblivian:

From today, passengers from anywhere in the world, excluding Australia, Antarctica and some Pacific Island nations, will be required to undergo Day 0/1 testing upon arrival in New Zealand.

This expands on measures already in place for passengers from the UK and US.

I read that as being in addition to the day 3 and day 12 tests, so you'd be tested three times: Day 0/1, Day 3 and Day 12.
My guess is that is to catch the people already infected on arrival, so that they would be immediately sent to the stricter-regime Quarantine facility (Jet Park in Auckland, not sure in other places) rather than hanging around infectious in the MI hotel until discovered in Day 3 testing.

Under the present circumstances, it seems reasonable

wellygary

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#2634303 12-Jan-2021 13:57

PolicyGuy:

Oblivian:

From today, passengers from anywhere in the world, excluding Australia, Antarctica and some Pacific Island nations, will be required to undergo Day 0/1 testing upon arrival in New Zealand.

This expands on measures already in place for passengers from the UK and US.

I read that as being in addition to the day 3 and day 12 tests, so you'd be tested three times: Day 0/1, Day 3 and Day 12.
My guess is that is to catch the people already infected on arrival, so that they would be immediately sent to the stricter-regime Quarantine facility (Jet Park in Auckland, not sure in other places) rather than hanging around infectious in the MI hotel until discovered in Day 3 testing.

Under the present circumstances, it seems reasonable

Yeah, apparently you don't get to get out of your room now until your day 0/1 test comes back negative, and if it comes back positive you are then sent off to the quarantine units ( jetpark and the sections of the hotels in CHC/WLG/HAM)

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#2634312 12-Jan-2021 14:10

PolicyGuy:

I read that as being in addition to the day 3 and day 12 tests, so you'd be tested three times: Day 0/1, Day 3 and Day 12.
My guess is that is to catch the people already infected on arrival, so that they would be immediately sent to the stricter-regime Quarantine facility (Jet Park in Auckland, not sure in other places) rather than hanging around infectious in the MI hotel until discovered in Day 3 testing.

Under the present circumstances, it seems reasonable

Yeah. I knew of the 3/12. But I think there are cases where you could refuse due no legislation. And if you refuse all they just kept you on.

Seems that's been taken care of and immediate arrival added. Which yep, is a good filter for 0-days.

I found this..

Passengers transiting through the UK and US for not more than 96 hours before departing for New Zealand will be exempt for now from pre-departure testing

A little Odd. It's about 1:7 positive rate at present in the US. (7.2 up till sept last year). So your chances are still up there if the halls are packed.

Unless the wording is intended to cover a test at your origin rather than again at airport.

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#2634331 12-Jan-2021 15:04

kingdragonfly:

I've had several Americans healthcare workers contact me about possibly moving to NZ, for what it's worth.

There have been plenty of newspaper articles about people who actually have migrated to NZ. Getting burnt out with massive workload, and carrying a massive risk to your own health, all because politician's in your area didn't take the required action to avoid overloading the health system isn't a very attractive working environment.

Given skilled healthcare workers are one of the few people who can get through the border as fresh migrants at the moment, it wouldn't surprise me if we have a decent net gain. Given historical capacity issues in our health system this is probiably good for our country.

I don't think leaving NZ to work in a covid-19 hotspot is partially attractive to NZ healthcare workers even if the money is good. Working conditions sound appalling, and the pressure to care for a high volume of patents adds risks that the healthcare workers themselves get infected and take the virus home to their families. Sounds like resources are scarce and the job is super frustrating. Perhaps vaccines becoming available to front line medical workers will reduce the risk somewhat.

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#2634339 12-Jan-2021 15:12

Oblivian:

Yeah. I knew of the 3/12. But I think there are cases where you could refuse due no legislation. And if you refuse all they just kept you on.

Seems that's been taken care of and immediate arrival added. Which yep, is a good filter for 0-days.

I found this..

Passengers transiting through the UK and US for not more than 96 hours before departing for New Zealand will be exempt for now from pre-departure testing

A little Odd. It's about 1:7 positive rate at present in the US. (7.2 up till sept last year). So your chances are still up there if the halls are packed.

Unless the wording is intended to cover a test at your origin rather than again at airport.

I hope that doesn't cover somebody from the UK who transits through the US.

Not testing people that just transit the US or UK prior to departure from transit city is more likely to be because of viability, rather than risk. If you transit in the US for 18 hours, and it takes 32 hours to get a PCR test result returned, it is simply not viable. We can't put unreasonable barriers to stop our citizens returning.

GV27

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#2634358 12-Jan-2021 15:47

Scott3:

We can't put unreasonable barriers to stop our citizens returning.

What is and isn't "reasonable" needs to be taken in context of the global pandemic that's currently going on.

wellygary

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#2634359 12-Jan-2021 16:01

Scott3:

I hope that doesn't cover somebody from the UK who transits through the US.

Not testing people that just transit the US or UK prior to departure from transit city is more likely to be because of viability, rather than risk. If you transit in the US for 18 hours, and it takes 32 hours to get a PCR test result returned, it is simply not viable. We can't put unreasonable barriers to stop our citizens returning.

Yeah, its basically there to stop a case of having a long flight connection, but have no ability to get a test....

But in reality its a place holder until they require tests for travellers from all countries ( which I would guess is coming early next week)

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#2634527 12-Jan-2021 20:03

GV27:

What is and isn't "reasonable" needs to be taken in context of the global pandemic that's currently going on.

If you want to ban Kiwi's returning, we might as well get Trump running here next election, if we want to give up. There is a global pandemic, and currently that doesn't include us. At some point we do need to draw a line on returning Kiwi's and eventually returning Kiwi's. But telling citizens to fall off the edge of the Earth isnt what we should be saying.

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#2634543 12-Jan-2021 21:02

The Washington Post - Disneyland will become mass vaccination site amid ‘worst disaster’ in decades

today

Disneyland, long shuttered due to the pandemic, will soon reopen as a mass vaccination site where thousands of Southern Californians can receive shots each day.

The Anaheim-based theme park was deemed a “Super POD” by Orange County officials in a surreal news release on Monday, which stated that the site should be operational before the end of the week.

Eventually, the county plans to open four more “Super PODs” - the acronym stands for “point-of-dispensing.” ...

California is in the throes of one of the nation’s worst coronavirus outbreaks, with Los Angeles-area hospitals running out of oxygen and ambulance crews being told not to bring patients to emergency rooms if they have little chance of survival.

The state reported close to 290,000 new coronavirus cases in the past week alone, according to data tracked by The Washington Post. ...

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#2634612 13-Jan-2021 07:15

Sideface:
The Washington Post - Disneyland will become mass vaccination site amid ‘worst disaster’ in decades

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Make sense. They have plenty of parking and shuttles, big roads, and set up to handle big queues.

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#2634626 13-Jan-2021 07:40

Lastest Surge Workforce request concerning vaccinators.

A key area within this programme is focused on the vaccinator workforce – the aim is to ensure that COVID-19 vaccinations do not impact on the core health and disability system. The Ministry will be working closely with DHBs and providers to support them to bring on appropriately qualified workers to be a part of the vaccinator workforce.

We are now looking to update the surge workforce database to capture offers of support from people willing to be part of this workforce so that we can link people with opportunities as they become available. By following the link below, you can register your interest to support the roll out of the vaccine: http://zfrmz.com.au/C0jylKqxn0IfW1T6s0Qw

Thank you again in advance for your offer of support.

Ngā mihi nui,

Anna Clark
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