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#2770771 2-Sep-2021 19:53

TeaLeaf: The 4th point, Corners were not cut in the clinical trials and approvals process, seems to be the other main fear/belief, kind of addressed in the link on long term side effects of the vaccine I posted. Its reflected in a lot of people I speak to, that are afraid of the vaccine more than the virus. Also in the frustrations of scientists, with Poli's and other institutes with such thoughts.

Ive not seen that. Im still shocked the amount if people I know that are "um, not sure, up to [laugh] no way. Its always IME been rushed. But good to see another viewpoint.

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#2770801 2-Sep-2021 20:22

I've been pretty busy working today so am only catching up on the news now. It worries me that Auckland still has reasonable numbers of cases with unknown sources and still has people in the community while they're contagious. Only time will tell, but I'm nowhere near as confident as some politicians are that this is all under control and we have nothing to worry about.

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#2770802 2-Sep-2021 20:25

it seems to be dishonest not to mention all locations where someone has been positive as a point of interest and work places were someone has been tested positive not even getting a mention in the news...

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#2770805 2-Sep-2021 20:30

sbiddle:
I've been pretty busy working today so am only catching up on the news now. It worries me that Auckland still has reasonable numbers of cases with unknown sources and still has people in the community while they're contagious. Only time will tell, but I'm nowhere near as confident as some politicians are that this is all under control and we have nothing to worry about.

I feel the same. It seems to be following a similar trend to Victoria’s. Have they actually come out and say that the contact tracing was overwhelmed? I heard Hoskings discussing this with an expert in Oz who was concerned about Auckland’s numbers, but said they need to stick with elimination. Hopefully cases will continue to drop. But it seems to be spreading with essential workers and I am not sure if everyone is complying. But I don’t think Auckland will be coming out of lockdown for some time and wouldn’t be surprised if it leaks out and the North Island ends back in level 4

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#2770806 2-Sep-2021 20:31

panther2:

it seems to be dishonest not to mention all locations where someone has been positive as a point of interest and work places were someone has been tested positive not even getting a mention in the news...

If everybody at a LOI is already known and is (or can be) contracted traced why clutter the LOI lists with unnecessary places? That just adds to the noise.

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#2770813 2-Sep-2021 20:45

Melbourne sets world record for longest time in lockdown for a city according to this

https://www.news.com.au/world/coronavirus/australia/live-breaking-news-victorias-lockdown-exit-plan-sparks-backlash-from-businesses/news-story/0acb9c06182368cdd0e9ce07c91460f4

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#2770818 2-Sep-2021 20:55

this just leaves more questions

A Spring Hill prison guard is no longer considered to have Covid-19 despite having tested positive on Sunday.

Department of Corrections Chief Custodial Officer Neil Beales said they had been advised by public health after further investigation.

The prison guard returned a positive result on Sunday evening, after being told they had visited a location of interest in Auckland.

The person had no symptoms and was fully vaccinated, but had also been working at the prison before being tested.

Common sense is not as common as you think.

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#2770819 2-Sep-2021 20:57

vexxxboy: this just leaves more questions

A Spring Hill prison guard is no longer considered to have Covid-19 despite having tested positive on Sunday.

Department of Corrections Chief Custodial Officer Neil Beales said they had been advised by public health after further investigation.

The prison guard returned a positive result on Sunday evening, after being told they had visited a location of interest in Auckland.

The person had no symptoms and was fully vaccinated, but had also been working at the prison before being tested.

Not really. The guard likely had a false positive. It happens.

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#2770854 3-Sep-2021 00:20

Can someone please give me a good "fact" link on the situation with SpikeProteins and the vaccines, anything on the WHO site or something similar perhaps? Thank you.

I know a person who has read some random info online about it and is fearful to get vaccinated. Sigh.

I think possibly this may be one of the biggest problems that the globe faces with vaccine uptake. The old saying, don't believe everything you read etc.

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#2770855 3-Sep-2021 00:29

Probably won't believe Siouxsie then?

https://thespinoff.co.nz/science/24-02-2021/siouxsie-wiles-toby-morris-how-the-pfizer-vaccine-for-covid-19-works/

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#2770858 3-Sep-2021 07:28

sbiddle:

I've been pretty busy working today so am only catching up on the news now. It worries me that Auckland still has reasonable numbers of cases with unknown sources and still has people in the community while they're contagious. Only time will tell, but I'm nowhere near as confident as some politicians are that this is all under control and we have nothing to worry about.

Im a bit that way inclined. Never bothered by rising cases as they were mostly household and expected, and pre lockdown. 36% I think yesterday were infectious in the community that's high, that what NSW had every day. But the LOI's only produced 5% of cases so thats a plus. If Auckland wants out, they need to step up, but its a pity saying that as most are doing that I expect.

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#2770860 3-Sep-2021 07:57

More incredibly stupid reporting from the NZ Herald.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/covid-19-coronavirus-delta-outbreak-nz-herald-kantar-poll-shows-what-new-zealanders-think-about-elimination-strategy/LVB5RB7NN3AODM5GT4DQRJHL7Q/

The first two paragraphs are not even discussing the same thing and the first sentence actually makes no sense.

A new NZ Herald-Kantar poll reveals what Kiwis think of the Government's strategy to eliminate Covid-19.

The poll of 1000 New Zealanders asked participants if Aotearoa should continue with its strategy of Covid-19 elimination - and it reveals strong support for the approach.

The article is behind a paywall but the answers really show a lot of people are totally confused at what our definition of our "elimination strategy" actually is, and that many people believe this means zero cases, which is not the case. The question asked really makes no sense and the answers show that, and a lack of understanding from many people.

To quote the Skegg report out elimination strategy is

"The description of elimination quoted in paragraph 6 was an action-oriented definition, which acknowledged that some community transmission of the virus will occur, although steps will be taken to stamp it out. So elimination does not necessarily mean zero transmission or incidence. In April 2020, the Director-General of Health (Dr Ashley Bloomfield) stated: “The elimination approach focuses on zero-tolerance towards new cases, rather than a goal of no new cases”. In approaching the present question, our group is happy to follow this interpretation, which treats elimination as a process, rather than as a permanent outcome. We will return to the naming of this strategy later in this report."

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#2770862 3-Sep-2021 08:06

sbiddle:

The question asked really makes no sense and the answers show that, and a lack of understanding from many people.

Agree. We are spoilt here with daily discussion, technical data and so on. But I am amazed if Covid pops up in a discussion of people I know, related to, they often really have no clue. Its not that "we beat it" its that the daily lives are (until recently) totally unaffected by the pandemic. Misinformation, or no information as they don't take much interest in it at all. Hence, now we are affected, "thats so annoying" "umm not sure if I'll get the vaccine" Arguably, if outbreaks happened more often they would probably have more awareness.

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#2770905 3-Sep-2021 09:13

TeaLeaf: Can someone please give me a good "fact" link on the situation with SpikeProteins and the vaccines, anything on the WHO site or something similar perhaps? Thank you.

I know a person who has read some random info online about it and is fearful to get vaccinated. Sigh.

I think possibly this may be one of the biggest problems that the globe faces with vaccine uptake. The old saying, don't believe everything you read etc.

It's hard finding concise easy to read information about Covid 19 and the vaccines that you can point vaccine hesitant people to. There was an excellent page on the Health Navigator website about vaccine misconceptions. We shared that to a few people last week. This week that link is returning a 404 error.

When I brought this to their attention they said it was removed because it was old. They prefer instead to make people trawl for the information from several links on their website. For those who are hesitant about the vaccine the information needs to be well curated and in one place.

That web page might have been old but it was still very relevant, it was well put together and concise. I replied and suggested it was a very useful resource which we had shared with several vaccine hesitant people and the removal of which might be seen in some quarters as admission the data was incorrect, there was no response.

I sometimes wonder, no actually I am sure, that many of the experts are so versed in their fields of expertise they don't realise they talk above the man in the street. The average person has to decipher what's being said and make their own, Often incorrect, interpretation. Just look at the confusion over the term elimination. Most took that to mean gone completely or radicated, but as we found out that's not what is meant.

I believe we lack a good interface between the experts and the general public.

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#2770908 3-Sep-2021 09:19

sbiddle:

I've been pretty busy working today so am only catching up on the news now. It worries me that Auckland still has reasonable numbers of cases with unknown sources and still has people in the community while they're contagious. Only time will tell, but I'm nowhere near as confident as some politicians are that this is all under control and we have nothing to worry about.

I agree. It worries me how long the lockdown will go on for and how many businesses will fold as a result.

We really wasted the opportunity to get as many of the population vaccinated earlier than we have. Yes, I know there may have been supply constraints but the fact the government had to delay deliveries because of lack of freezer space tells me the vaccination roll out didn't go to the original schedule.

Now we're between a rock and a hard place.

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