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#2449083 28-Mar-2020 21:00

And on the other side of the coin, my neighbour with coeliac disease pointed out that they should let places that provide specialised dietary items like Bin Inn reopen since supermarkets, at least around here, that have things she can safely eat have very limited supplies.

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#2449084 28-Mar-2020 21:03

How do we treat Australian residents here affected by C19?

I think the way Kiwi's are being treated in Australia is a disgrace. I think a very simple acid test should be applied to those who can be covered. It should be something like: If you have paid tax in Australia for at least 2 Years, you should receive all the same privileges a native Australian does. We should do the same here.

For those who don't qualify, something should exist where they receive benefits and the NZ Government pays it.

Probably needs more refinement, but people shouldn't be facing homelessness in a country they have contributed to meaningfully.

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#2449092 28-Mar-2020 21:23

I see Neighbourly has disabled their buy/sell feature, also a Facebook page for buy/sell I'm a member of has suspended posting for now. Good to see.

@freitasm do you think it would be an idea to disable the same on GZ for now?

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#2449099 28-Mar-2020 21:37

debo:

mudguard:

How do you get groceries if you're not near friends or family?

Anyone. i not care who you use as long as you don't go out spreading the virus.

Great response. Practical and constructive.

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#2449103 28-Mar-2020 21:41

Rikkitic:

freitasm:

Understandable. Ideally, people would post with at least two quotes if possible - but even better if replies were more than a single word reply/short sentence. We really want contributions...

Does that extend to posts that keep carping about official advice and recommendations? Some questioning of the reasons for things is sensible and acceptable, but there comes a point where you just say "enough!" Here is a recent example:

So the officials are OK with you leaving your house if others in your bubble are sick, so long as you are not currently sick. Have they not heard of asymptomatic spread? So much for "don't be stupid" if their own advice is stupid.

The experts do make mistakes and get things wrong. They are human. So are those responsible for policy decisions. But these people are under a lot of pressure, trying to make life-or-death decisions as quickly as possible, moving mountains to save lives, working day and night, genuinely going the extra mile and striving to do their very best. They are not idiots. They have thought of the obvious things and based their advice on the best information available to them. They know things we don't. They have to take into consideration a wide range of factors ordinary people may not know about or understand. I am sure they have heard of 'asymptomatic spread' and I am sure they are not providing 'stupid advice'. Give them a break. Give them some credit for the very hard job they are doing trying to hold this country together in a time of unparalleled challenge.

I couldn't agree more. Some of the posts on here are disgusting. These are ordinary people under insane pressure doing an impossible job.

It would appear that some of the posters had never made a mistake at work, especially after their 4th week of working 12+ hour days 7 days a week.

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#2449104 28-Mar-2020 21:42

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How do we treat Australian residents here affected by C19?

I think the way Kiwi's are being treated in Australia is a disgrace. I think a very simple acid test should be applied to those who can be covered. It should be something like: If you have paid tax in Australia for at least 2 Years, you should receive all the same privileges a native Australian does. We should do the same here.

For those who don't qualify, something should exist where they receive benefits and the NZ Government pays it.

Probably needs more refinement, but people shouldn't be facing homelessness in a country they have contributed to meaningfully.

It's f&5king disgusting and fairly typical of Australia. The way they treat New Zealanders living there is a disgrace and has been for a long long time.

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#2449106 28-Mar-2020 21:50

Ashley Bloomfield is currently my hero!

He got his first day off in quite some time.

NZ'r of the year for me so far.

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#2449107 28-Mar-2020 21:52

This tweet sums up NZ aviation currently

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#2449123 28-Mar-2020 22:17

On the topic of "If they can't get their s**t together we'll get it together for them":

Organized Crime Enforcing Quarantine in Brazilian Favelas

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#2449126 28-Mar-2020 22:28

Handle9:

networkn:

How do we treat Australian residents here affected by C19?

I think the way Kiwi's are being treated in Australia is a disgrace. I think a very simple acid test should be applied to those who can be covered. It should be something like: If you have paid tax in Australia for at least 2 Years, you should receive all the same privileges a native Australian does. We should do the same here.

For those who don't qualify, something should exist where they receive benefits and the NZ Government pays it.

Probably needs more refinement, but people shouldn't be facing homelessness in a country they have contributed to meaningfully.

It's f&5king disgusting and fairly typical of Australia. The way they treat New Zealanders living there is a disgrace and has been for a long long time.

Individual Australians can be very nice people - but as a national group they’re a horrible people. The only country whose people I detest as a generalised group.

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#2449164 29-Mar-2020 00:18

debo:

So the officials are OK with you leaving your house if others in your bubble are sick, so long as you are not currently sick. Have they not heard of asymptomatic spread? So much for "don't be stupid" if their own advice is stupid.

There is still no evidence that the virus is transmissible while asymptomatic. The original study claiming that was debunked by the German health ministry.

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How do we treat Australian residents here affected by C19?

I think the way Kiwi's are being treated in Australia is a disgrace. I think a very simple acid test should be applied to those who can be covered. It should be something like: If you have paid tax in Australia for at least 2 Years, you should receive all the same privileges a native Australian does. We should do the same here.

For those who don't qualify, something should exist where they receive benefits and the NZ Government pays it.

Probably needs more refinement, but people shouldn't be facing homelessness in a country they have contributed to meaningfully.

NZ treats Australians as residents after 2 years. Australia requires a New Zealander who arrived between 2001 and 2016 to apply for residency, at a cost of about $3850.

The acts rushed through parliament in Canberra before it shut down delegated the Human Services Minister with the power to, with a simple regulation, expand social security to New Zealanders and other temporary residents without a vote. She is still deciding if she wants to do this - the problem for Canberra is they don't want to expend any money before the end of the first quarter - because two quarters of negative growth is a recession. Like Trump, they see the economy as more important than lives.

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#2449169 29-Mar-2020 02:27

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tdgeek:

400 overall or CT or mainly CT?

400 1.3 to the power of 10 times 29. 10 days after that it's 5500

I guess I got that wrong. It'll be more around 500 than 400. I really hope I'm wrong about greater than 5000 in 10 days. I don't think I will be though.

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#2449170 29-Mar-2020 04:15

@tdgeek Quote “Apparently we all love to hate lawyers and banks. Thats ironic...“ Unquote.

@dejadeadnz Quote “LOL you must be kidding. The banks are the last to make any kind of sacrifice in crises.” Unquote.

Heard an ad on radio today from Westpac - saying how important their customers are to them during virus circs etc. Delivered in a slow, low voice with those heavy downward inflections that are meant to sound reassuring, calming and sincere. To me it sounded patronising, false, insulting and virtue-signalling BS.

Banks are a business, not a charity. They’re only interested in the wellbeing of their customers as a means to an end - to maximise profit so as to enhance the share price. That’s what big businesses do and that’s fair enough - don’t BS us with this touchy-feely stuff.

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#2449181 29-Mar-2020 07:44

neb:
Fred99:

https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2020/03/27/822407626/mystery-in-wuhan-recovered-coronavirus-patients-test-negative-then-positive?
It's not a mystery at all, if you've got a test with a certain FP and FN rate, a.k.a. Type 1 and 2 errors, and you rerun the test you're going to get this in a small number of cases.

It's dangerous to make the assumption that's the only cause for what could be rebound or continued shedding. Yes - there are false negatives, but the test itself may not be the problem here - the sampling method may be. Patients have tested positive from anal swab after symptoms have gone and testing negative for oral swabs. The virus doesn't just attack the lungs.

There's too many people (including experts in their fields) making definite sounding statements based on poor / patchy evidence.

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#2449182 29-Mar-2020 07:51

Q: What mistakes are other countries making?

A: The big mistake in the U.S. and Europe, in my opinion, is that people aren’t wearing masks. This virus is transmitted by droplets and close contact. Droplets play a very important role—you’ve got to wear a mask, because when you speak, there are always droplets coming out of your mouth. Many people have asymptomatic or presymptomatic infections. If they are wearing face masks, it can prevent droplets that carry the virus from escaping and infecting others.

Not wearing masks to protect against coronavirus is a ‘big mistake,’ top Chinese scientist says

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