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#2551403 28-Aug-2020 15:10

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Based on: https://www.odt.co.nz/news/national/12-new-cases-today-five-community

Robertson said there were two and a half days until Auckland moves to level 2.

Sounds like it is a done deal, Auckland moves to level 2 at 11.59pm Sunday, no matter what.

Let's just say I am not a happy camper with this news; I give it a month until we are all back in a level 3 or 4 lockdown to to "idiots"

They say its contained, do you prefer Level 3 for another 2 weeks or more?

I dont get why many here used to say its too much its hurting the economy, now its, lets stay in Level 3?

All I know is that they say its contained, its a slow burn, long tail, it wont be fixed by Tuesday. Level 3 or 2, the same applies. If the idiots are out there, they were in level 3 they will be in level 2 so its probbaly not a huge deal, re idiots. The general populous under Level 2 will still be wary. The presence of the virus "here" is far more a deterrent than rules.

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#2551407 28-Aug-2020 15:22

Although case are still coming at a low rate as far as I can ascertain there has been no community transmission outside the clusters so unless things change dramatically over the next 48 hours I would think a considered move to Level 2 is relatively safe. The move will work if all New Zealanders follow the rules, keep apart, wear a mask and wash wash wash. If anyone feels unsafe keep yourself in Level 3 or Level 4.

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#2551408 28-Aug-2020 15:24

MikeB4:

The move will work if all New Zealanders follow the rules, keep apart, wear a mask and wash wash wash. If anyone feels unsafe keep yourself in Level 3 or Level 4.

We all know this isn't going to happen tho. Weather this weekend is meant to be OK - so Aucklanders are back to parks, beaches, just in time before going back to their workplaces etc.

I give it two weeks before L3 again.

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#2551421 28-Aug-2020 15:49

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They say its contained, do you prefer Level 3 for another 2 weeks or more?

I dont get why many here used to say its too much its hurting the economy, now its, lets stay in Level 3?

All I know is that they say its contained, its a slow burn, long tail, it wont be fixed by Tuesday. Level 3 or 2, the same applies. If the idiots are out there, they were in level 3 they will be in level 2 so its probbaly not a huge deal, re idiots. The general populous under Level 2 will still be wary. The presence of the virus "here" is far more a deterrent than rules.

Level 2 in my town is essentially level 1. There is the odd person wearing masks, some badly. But even hairdressers aren't wearing them. Little social distancing etc. But that is probably only because there is no detected community transmission occurring outside Auckland. But once level 2 is introduced for Auckland, and all these people from Auckland fly and drive throughout NZ, it potentially increases the risk for the entire country.

There are apparently going to be gathering restrictions in Auckland. But as these Aucklanders can then travel throughout NZ, what would stop large gatherings of Aucklanders occurring in places outside Aukland. eg a Wedding or big church gathering of Auckland in Hamilton for example?

I think Auckland coming out of level 2 is okay, but because they are have additional restrictions being placed on them, it makes sense that the borders stay closed for sevral more weeks to take stock.

Prior to using managed isolation, they did also initially say that people would follow self isolation requirements, as people wouldn't want to spread it or catch it, but look at how that worked out. I think we have finally realise that some people won't follow rules and can't be trusted, and I know some very sensible people who fall into that camp. .

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#2551425 28-Aug-2020 15:56

Rikkitic:

Never mind the faecal plumes!

Urinal plumes too.

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#2551433 28-Aug-2020 16:18

GV27:

MikeB4:

The move will work if all New Zealanders follow the rules, keep apart, wear a mask and wash wash wash. If anyone feels unsafe keep yourself in Level 3 or Level 4.

We all know this isn't going to happen tho. Weather this weekend is meant to be OK - so Aucklanders are back to parks, beaches, just in time before going back to their workplaces etc.

I give it two weeks before L3 again.

I don't know whether the government will do this. It will take at least another week maybe 2, to see what affects moving down to level 2 does. The issue is if we then start to see cases popping up throughout the rest of NZ. Testing rates need to remain very high too, and I can't see that happening. I just can't see this going well, as I think Auckland needs to be sectioned off until new cases from this cluster stop.

Also I noticed today that they reported the numbers differently at the 1pm standup. Normally they report the total number of new cases in the country. But today they initially reported 5 cases in the community, and then 7 in isolation. So the total was 12, but the number 12 was never mentioned. If they had started off saying there were 12 new cases of Covid19 in NZ, that sounds significantly worse IMO. I wonder why they made this change. On their website they reported 12 new cases as the headline, but that isn't how they started it at their 1pm standup. This is the previous 5 days of how they are reported on their website, and today appears to be the first time they are reported community case first, then cases in managed isolation. It is a subtle change, but does change the impression IMO, and I think they need to be consistent with their messaging.

12 new cases of COVID-19 Media release 28 August 2020 There are five new cases of COVID-19 to report in the community today, all linked to the Auckland cluster. Read more
7 new cases of COVID-19 Media release 27 August 2020 There are seven new confirmed cases of COVID-19 to report in New Zealand today. Read more
5 new cases of COVID-19 Media release 26 August 2020 There are a total of five new confirmed cases of COVID-19 to report in New Zealand today. Read more
7 new cases of COVID-19 Media release 25 August 2020 There are seven new confirmed cases of COVID-19 to report in New Zealand today. All are related to the community outbreak in Auckland. Read more
9 new cases of COVID-19 Media release 24 August 2020 There are nine new cases of COVID-19 to report in New Zealand today – eight confirmed cases and one probable case. Read more

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#2551434 28-Aug-2020 16:19

MikeB4:

Although case are still coming at a low rate as far as I can ascertain there has been no community transmission outside the clusters

Ummmm... clusters are community transmission that is traced back to the cluster. So far all the CT has been traced back, which is good, but some of the tracing seems tenuous (e.g. the bus trip). But the fact that they're still popping up says that the isolation that's supposed to be part of L3 isn't working. One missed link (e.g. all the other bus rides that the now-known-positive people have taken over the last couple of weeks) could see a similar sized cluster develop.

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#2551438 28-Aug-2020 16:32

frankv:

MikeB4:

Although case are still coming at a low rate as far as I can ascertain there has been no community transmission outside the clusters

Ummmm... clusters are community transmission that is traced back to the cluster. So far all the CT has been traced back, which is good, but some of the tracing seems tenuous (e.g. the bus trip). But the fact that they're still popping up says that the isolation that's supposed to be part of L3 isn't working. One missed link (e.g. all the other bus rides that the now-known-positive people have taken over the last couple of weeks) could see a similar sized cluster develop.

Plus we are up to 2 weeks or more behind, due to the long incubation period. The mini cluster, and another case in hospital haven't been able to be traced back to the main cluster, even though there is a genome link. So it looks like it is likely there are other cases out there. IMO contact tracing is the final belts and braces protection when there isn't a lockdown inplace, and it isn't 100% fullproof as we can see. It relies on people providing correct information and keeping accurate records, which is very difficult.

I think Auckland should going to level 2.5 with border restrictions, and the rest of NZ should go down to level 1.5. Seems stupid IMO for physical distancing in small NZ towns, when there haven't been cases in these areas for many months.

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#2551474 28-Aug-2020 16:53

mattwnz:

Rikkitic:

Never mind the faecal plumes!

Urinal plumes too.

Mouthwashes Are A Cheap Tool In The Fight Against Coronavirus

Yes I know what Trump said about the use of disinfectants but this is way way way different.

Whilst the difficult we can do immediately, the impossible takes a bit longer. However, miracles you will have to wait for.

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#2551476 28-Aug-2020 16:55

Covid has infiltrated the govt

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12360384

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#2551482 28-Aug-2020 17:08

mattwnz:

Also I noticed today that they reported the numbers differently at the 1pm standup. Normally they report the total number of new cases in the country. But today they initially reported 5 cases in the community, and then 7 in isolation. So the total was 12, but the number 12 was never mentioned. If they had started off saying there were 12 new cases of Covid19 in NZ, that sounds significantly worse IMO. I wonder why they made this change.

Because the number of cases arriving at the border is kind of irrelevant. The Govt has decided that the border will remain open to anyone with Citizenship or PR, so the action required of the public in Auckland and the rest of NZ does not depend on whether we have 0, 1, 10 or 20 new cases arrive daily. It would be very discouraging and probably counter-productive to report high numbers of new cases with low CT and everyone doing the right thing.

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#2551483 28-Aug-2020 17:12

GV27:

We all know this isn't going to happen tho. Weather this weekend is meant to be OK - so Aucklanders are back to parks, beaches, just in time before going back to their workplaces etc.

I give it two weeks before L3 again.

But parks, beaches etc aren't where CT happens - it is buses, churches and indoor areas where people touch common surfaces, sing, talk loudly, hug etc etc. Banning us from walking the dog on the beach or going for a swim or trip in the boat has zero benefit and just causes people to doubt and ultimately flout the rules, even the sensible ones.

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#2551490 28-Aug-2020 17:30

shk292:

mattwnz:

Also I noticed today that they reported the numbers differently at the 1pm standup. Normally they report the total number of new cases in the country. But today they initially reported 5 cases in the community, and then 7 in isolation. So the total was 12, but the number 12 was never mentioned. If they had started off saying there were 12 new cases of Covid19 in NZ, that sounds significantly worse IMO. I wonder why they made this change.

Because the number of cases arriving at the border is kind of irrelevant. The Govt has decided that the border will remain open to anyone with Citizenship or PR, so the action required of the public in Auckland and the rest of NZ does not depend on whether we have 0, 1, 10 or 20 new cases arrive daily. It would be very discouraging and probably counter-productive to report high numbers of new cases with low CT and everyone doing the right thing.

It isn't really, because the more cases coming into NZ, the more chance of it getting through into the community. If we are getting a higher number of cases coming in, say 20 a day, vs 1 a week, then there is a far higher chance IMO, especially as they claim that it is impossible for their systems to be leak free. IMO we should be requiring testing of people before they leave their country, which is what other countries are requiring. This should reduce the risk and load at our end. It won't mean we won't get cases, but it reduces the load and resources needed at our end, which has a high cost

Especially as they have now stopped reporting what countries these positive cases are coming from. So we don't actually now know what countries have the highest risk of incoming cases.

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#2551494 28-Aug-2020 17:38

Rikkitic:

Never mind the faecal plumes!

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#2551511 28-Aug-2020 18:14

One of many stories about COVID being downplayed at University of Alabama, and the small town Tuscaloosa, because of economic effects.

The Hill.com: University of Alabama ordered faculty to keep quiet about COVID-19 outbreak

Administration officials at the University of Alabama reportedly instructed professors to keep quiet about the outbreak of more than 500 coronavirus cases [in the first week], instructing them in an email not to tell their students if someone in a class tests positive.

The email, obtained by the Daily Beast, comes amid a massive rise in COVID-19 cases since classes resumed on Aug. 19 at the Tuscaloosa, Ala., school.

“Do not tell the rest of the class,” the email to the politics department reads, with the word “not” underlined.

The email reportedly states that students who test positive are not considered an exposure risk if masks were worn and social distancing was practiced, suggesting that students and the professor may never be informed if there was an infected person in a class.

According to the outlet, other departments also warned teachers against posting on social media under the claim that it could constitute a HIPAA violation.

Alabama Provost James Dalton sent an email to faculty on Tuesday again stating that professors are not responsible for reporting positive cases to their students or the school because the university has a “robust program” for alerting exposed parties.
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