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#3299523 21-Oct-2024 16:07

Ragnor:

Hard to understand why McLaren picked option 3 unless they were trying to do 1 and failed...

1. Lando: pull a 5 sec gap NOW!

2. Lando: give him back the place and pass him again. You have 5 laps.

3. Do nothing, hold your breath and hope for the best.

McLaren obviously got training from last years Ferrari strategy team?

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#3299538 21-Oct-2024 17:09

Jaxson:
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It would have been an interesting debate if they protested.

Difference there was both drivers were off the track though, so maybe that's why they didn't protest.

Max did go off the track with Lando though. Max couldn't make the corner himself with the angle he'd taken (or could have but opened it up to squeeze Lando).
Lando was always along side Max, front wheels ahead of Max's rear wheels.
Reminds me of Alonso's "all the time you have to leave a space..." comments in that situation.

Also do you have to have a protest from someone before the stewards will investigate or make a rulling?

That video looks very similar to Sainz vs Verstappen and V was not penalized.

Yes I think if you don't protest the stewards will be sipping tea and watching tv, they are not able to look at everything all the time.

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#3299651 21-Oct-2024 20:15

Great race this morning, Ferrari had looked slippery all weekend, deserved 1-2 for them.

And Lawson, he couldn't have hoped for a better first GP back. Surprisingly VCARB didn't stuff up the strategy and he made up a deserved ten places. Even better, beat Tsunoda and Colapinto, and gave grumpy old man Alonso a rark up too. Hopefully more of the same this coming weekend in Mexico.

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#3299704 21-Oct-2024 21:32

JPNZ:

Man that was a great race. Lawson in 9th and showing great pace. Battle between Max and Lando was awesome.

Ferrari has some race pace too!

Was it what. Best race Ive seen for years. Ferrari 1-2 wasn't my ideal , but we are all Ferrari fans whether we like it or not, they deserved it. Max was awesome so was Lando.

Liam was magic. Last year swapped his latte for a hemet and delivered. P3 in Q1, 9th today. What shocked me was M Brundle saying early on in the race how he wont be surprised if he is next to Max next year. Out driving the car. Cannot say that in minutes into his 6 race stint, but he was right. Someone else, forget who, inferred the same.

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#3299705 21-Oct-2024 21:39

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Personally dont like that Verstappen was allowed to push Lando off both times and also went off the track doing so but only Lando gets a penalty. I know others wont agree with me and thats fine. I think McLaren were wrong to tell him not to give the place back at the time as it proved to be.

With respect you've countered your argument. Turns 1 and 2, they always let it go, too much traffic. The rules are clear albeit grey. Both went off the track but Lando overtook. Having said that if Max stayed in front, arguably he got an advantage. As Danica said, add gravel or grass, that's what has happened in other tracks recently, that works. Agree, Lando was faster, had fresher tyres, team should have kept the race alive and given it back, another risk they fell short of. Being a RBR and Kiwi McLaren fan, im good with that. While all that was going on, I felt if Max held on thats great, if Lando passes thats also great. Its not that often we see real racing lap after lap. A wider track really helps the event.

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#3299707 21-Oct-2024 21:43

Jaxson:

Lando and the McLaren team though has a lot of maturing to do. Again he bottled the start and left room for a car to wedge into the inside line at the first corner. I don't think that would have been possible against Oscar there but Lando left the door open again. As a team he should have given that place back and had several more laps to try again. Same thing as that race where Oscar one after Lando led sulking for 12 laps or so before giving it back to Oscar. If Lando had let him pass immediately he could have been fighting for the overtake during that time.

Also got me thinking about the rule ahead at the apex, and how the apex is in different places dependent on the line you are taking into the corner. Today's track is very wide so there are potentially multiple lines going on, so you could potentially see how different drivers could perceive this differently.

Yuki screaming how did this happen when Liam came out ahead was gold. Exceptional weekend for Liam in what is the world's longest F1 job interview and with a range of newer competition coming up too. He's been waiting so long there are now younger newer exciting options emerging.

Ferrari dropping Carlow for Lewis feels wrong given how Carlos is driving for them and the smarts he brings. Assuming it's a combo of hope from Lewis's experience and marketing clout. Constructors championship starting to open up now.

Agree with most of that. But it would be nice to have a more black and white rule for apex and off track excursions.

Mexico, can Ferrari keep at it? Hard to know. If they can and RBR finds a bit more, its a nail biter. Which is what we all want.

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#3299708 21-Oct-2024 21:45

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You should have seen lap 1.

Sainz tried the Verstappen trick by pushing Verstappen off the track but for some reason Ferrari did not protest so Verstappen got to keep his P2 on lap 1.

It would have been an interesting debate if they protested.

Difference there was both drivers were off the track though, so maybe that's why they didn't protest.

Turn 1 is a racing incident, you have cars thick and fast, thats a known factor for turn 1 incidents being left alone

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#3299709 21-Oct-2024 21:48

Ragnor:

Ferrari's have great type deg and cruising in the lead, is this real life? Nice positioning by LeClerc too take lead on lap 1 from 2nd row, unfortunate for Sainz.

Great job Liam 19th to 9th, couple of great passes on Fernando (despite the old foxes attempted mind games). I missed how Russell got past him but I assume just Merc being in another classes probably.

Hamilton washed up again, Sainz driving well all weekend, good undercut on Max. Affected by a weird issue or might have been more of a Ferrari vs Ferrari battle.

Yuki showed again he's too temperamental for Red Bull to seriously consider, only still there because of Honda (which ends after 2025)

Good battle between Max and Lando, McClaren shouldn't have risked the penalty there were enough laps for another pass and Lando had the car/type advantage. Another in the string of McClaren strategy mistakes this year that have affected Lando's results, reminds me of Ferari in previous years.

Cooldown room had a nice Sainz and Max chat

Ferrari could win the constructors if they finish 1-2 rest of year!

Agree with all of that. Im still buzzing, watched 1/4 race early birds, a bit at lunch the rest now. 4 teams, 7 drivers :-) when you have no clue about the finishing order, thats pretty cool. Its about everything not just the car that cannot lose

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#3299711 21-Oct-2024 21:51

Jaxson:

Batman:

It would have been an interesting debate if they protested.

Difference there was both drivers were off the track though, so maybe that's why they didn't protest.

Max did go off the track with Lando though. Max couldn't make the corner himself with the angle he'd taken (or could have but opened it up to squeeze Lando).
Lando was always along side Max, front wheels ahead of Max's rear wheels.
Reminds me of Alonso's "all the time you have to leave a space..." comments in that situation.

Also do you have to have a protest from someone before the stewards will investigate or make a rulling?

Lando was ahead before the apex, behind at the apex. (yes I know, where is the apex, it varies on a woodier track) Both off the track, Lando much more, higher speed, he overtook off track. Butyes, its not that black and white. Gravel strip makes it black and white

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#3299712 21-Oct-2024 21:55

thermonuclear:

Great race this morning, Ferrari had looked slippery all weekend, deserved 1-2 for them.

And Lawson, he couldn't have hoped for a better first GP back. Surprisingly VCARB didn't stuff up the strategy and he made up a deserved ten places. Even better, beat Tsunoda and Colapinto, and gave grumpy old man Alonso a rark up too. Hopefully more of the same this coming weekend in Mexico.

He said they have improved the car. Factor in 3 FP sessions he will gain far more experience than anyone else. He is quick, smart and sensible. And unlike the teams in RBR, Mercedes, Ferrari, he is a perfect Number 2 driver for Max. If RBR can be a winning car sometimes Liam will win as a Number 2 driver. Nice CV

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#3299713 21-Oct-2024 21:57

Does Liam have to start at the back in Mexico as well?

Or does the 60 place grid penalty only apply to the next race after it's incurred?

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#3299716 21-Oct-2024 22:04

kiwifidget:

Does Liam have to start at the back in Mexico as well?

Or does the 60 place grid penalty only apply to the next race after it's incurred?

Im sure it was just the sprint race but clearly that wasnt the case. IIRC it doesnt affect Mexico. The 60 lap penalty is effectively a 40 lap gift. Having said that I think there were rumblings a few seasons back when this happens. 5 races to go lest replacing the lot X5! 200 lap penalty for one race

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#3299717 21-Oct-2024 22:08

kiwifidget:

Does Liam have to start at the back in Mexico as well?

Or does the 60 place grid penalty only apply to the next race after it's incurred?

60 places all applied in Austin

Mexico is a fresh start

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#3299720 21-Oct-2024 22:17

@tdgeek @batman thank you.

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#3299736 22-Oct-2024 07:26

Ragnor:

Great job Liam 19th to 9th, couple of great passes on Fernando (despite the old foxes attempted mind games). I missed how Russell got past him but I assume just Merc being in another classes probably.

cars with new everything parts tend to do better, so let's see what happens in the next few races as the engine ages on

fingers crossed for him, a lot of luck needed. as far as I understand, his contract is for 6 races and no contract for next year at the moment.

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