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#1943822 19-Jan-2018 21:48

TeaLeaf:

England showing us what Im talking about. Making Aus look like chumps. There number 10 has 10 1st class centuries. Both batsman either 6RPO or more. Its not hard. One boundary and just hit it down the ground for 5 singles. We just need 1-2 more fast scoring batsmen. I really think Philips could be all thats needed.

Eng will hit Santner for 100 off his 10 overs as they have are taking all Aus spinners to town.

On this silly note, I'm out. Too bizarre.

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#1943823 19-Jan-2018 21:58

The aussie crowd Boooing Joe Root coming on, wat the....... Qldrs.

Eng only need 4.9 now, they can drop the run rate and just cruise home like they did the first game. 6.4 for 20 overs will do that for you.

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#1943833 19-Jan-2018 23:56

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BlinkyBill: Somehow, in spite of gross incompetence in terms of both selectors and team, the ‘Caps have won another one.

In what way? Despite unbeaten over these matches, we beat no one. We had luck the other day and today, Paki's showed fight, we need to learn from that. Eng/Aus we will be done

Maybe learn to recognise sarcasm. The OP’s comments and the thread title are clues.

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#1943834 20-Jan-2018 00:00

TeaLeaf:
Whats with 270 today haha.

Aus looked like cruising to 320+ with a stacked batting squad. Eng have bowled unbelievable in the final 15.

No cummins or hazlewood, Eng on paper should cruise home for a series win after the ashes loss, but you never know with Starc bowling.

The pitches and conditions are 1,000’s of km’s apart? I don’t think the ‘Leaf has actually playred cricket.

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#1944393 21-Jan-2018 13:50

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TeaLeaf:

Whats with 270 today haha.

Aus looked like cruising to 320+ with a stacked batting squad. Eng have bowled unbelievable in the final 15.

No cummins or hazlewood, Eng on paper should cruise home for a series win after the ashes loss, but you never know with Starc bowling.

The pitches and conditions are 1,000’s of km’s apart? I don’t think the ‘Leaf has actually playred cricket.

Huh? I was just stating its odd the 2 seperate games nearly 1000s of KMs apart both nearly scored 270, was simply nearby coincidence with the 1 run not happening due to a run out in Aus.

Not played cricket hehe, thats a clear bait. ;-p

Anyway. Back to my point. Eng first game with Roy scoring 180 and root 80 odd is what Im saying can happen for NZ if Guptil or Munro and maybe Phillips at 3 go on with 120-200 Strike rate and somebody like Williamson/Taylor/Nicholls backs them up. But Id prefer Philips to play 4 than 3 and Taylor 5, Worker, 6 Nichols 7, DGH 8, Santner, 9, Southee 10, Boult 11. Dropping Latham and Ferguson, in favour of Santner 24 Avg with the ball, bowling Munro and Williamson much like Eng do with Root. Actually Root and Williamson are so similar its uncanny. Eng drop their strike bowlers for ODIs in favour of batting depth and Australia are not far behind them.

I think the second ODI however prooves how invaluable a modern batting lineup is to chasing down scores, again Eng could have cruised to 330 but only needed 270, the 2 openers both contributing this time.

http://www.espncricinfo.com/series/10883/scorecard/1072311

With 198 of the 270 runs needed coming at a strike rate from 4 players at an avg SR119.45

You look at the Eng squad and unless you watch county cricket you might go who? Its not their test team and its their bowlers replaced with either batsmen and using part timers (2) or bowlers who can really bat. Every player to number 10 has scored first class centuries and have high strike rates.

Jason Roy, Jonny Bairstow, Alex Hales, Joe Root, Eoin Morgan (c), Jos Buttler (wk), Moeen Ali, Chris Woakes, Adil Rashid, Liam Plunkett, Mark Wood. So from the Ashes you have Bairstow, Root, Ali. 3 players from their test team playing ODIs. And for a very good reason. Strike Rate.

This is what Im saying NZ need to do. We essentially play the majority of our test team for ODIs. We are going to get smashed by Eng and Aus, Aus are getting smashed by Eng, simply because A. our middle order is piss weak with test cricketers B. We have not staggered our high strike rate players, well we need 2 more to do that anyway. Its that simple. And while it was obvious even when we were winning, boy its going to be obvious when we lose.

What I cant understand is Pakistan beat this Eng team in the Champions Trophy to make it to the final in which they won. I guess a long season can do that. They have 3-4 players averaging around 50, two of the best young fast bowlers emerging and experience. Im not going to try and explain how we won 5-0 so easily, but DGH, Munro and Guptil come are the first 3 names that come to mind. Not santner, not latham, not Southee not Boult. If we were Eng we wouldnt be playing any of those players outside Boult and MAYBE Santner because they just arent good enough at ODIs. If Santner can get his batting above 30, and can keep his bowling to about 4.5 RPO, I think then he will be a great ODI player.

Lets see if Eng can down trough the Aussies 3-0 tonight at 4pm. They need it after losing the ashes, which they will regain in Eng.

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#1944398 21-Jan-2018 14:02

From the aussie team, again, completely different to their test team outside the players that can handle the jandle. Obviously Finch has to play being the best ODI batsman, scoring 2 centuries in 2 odis at a run a ball, only to lose lol..

But some of the rest you might not recognise. I dont get smith bowling Head, it was clear he was getting taken apart, being a spinner Im worried for Santner. Head 7 overs went for 7.85 RPO and no wickets. Why would you keep bowling him.

Two bowlers who really impressed me for Aus were Tye, a medium pace bowler with the best change ups going around, everybody going 6 and over he kept it to 3. And Richardson, a short chap, but boy he is nippy at 150+.

David Warner, Aaron Finch, Steve Smith (c), Travis Head, Cameron White, Mitchell Marsh, Marcus Stoinis, Alex Carey (wk), Mitchell Starc, Jhye Richardson, Andrew Tye

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#1944467 21-Jan-2018 16:44

Aussies have bought back the bowlers from Test and a spinner.

Good news is England is batting first for once and the openers are going at 7.5rpo so far. Hopefull they can put on 350+ unless they have a bad game. But the commentators are saying 270 is a very good score, so who knows. If they score 300 Id say Aus has know chance with 5 genuine bowlers.

Edit: Roy and Hales out cheap. This is where Engs long batting line up might save them when things dont go to plan. Definitely a 270 pitch. Slow, more like an old school NZ pitch the SCG today.

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#1944492 21-Jan-2018 20:33

England thats just INSANE !!!!! 110 from final 10 with 6 wickets down. Aus wont get 302, 250 if lucky.

http://www.cricbuzz.com/live-cricket-scorecard/17695/aus-vs-eng-3rd-odi-england-tour-of-australia-2018

England Top 3/4 FAIL aside from their keeper with 40 odd. Eng lose only 2 wickets and finish at 302/6

#6 Jos Butler 100/83 (scored century on last ball), he was about 50/82 balls lol, seriously though, scored about 30 off the last 2 overs.

#7 Chris Woakes 53/36, just like his last innings.

2 more batsmen left in the sheds and a bowler who can bat a little. Bairstow 39, Root 27, Eoin Morgan (c) 41 (now #4 Eng ODi batsman and the highest scorer between Aus and Eng over taking Steve Waugh).

In other words exactly what I said before the game started, their middle order will carry them if the top 3 fail.

NZ really could copy this team, the problem is though since Mccullum retired with him left Eng type mentality and we went from 1 to 4 ranking, dont let the Aus bowlers settle, but you need a team that can bat deep for that, and you need your coach behind you. Eng has a Psych and a Coach who backs them smacking it. This is as close as I can get with the current players NZ Cricket are discussing, but I think another DGH would be handy, but I havnt looked into Med Pace Sloggers. But Southee can hit as can Boult. The following team will cream Aus and be competitive with Eng.

Guptil
Munro
Philips (K)
Williamson
Worker
Taylor (C)
DGH
Nichols
Santner
Southee
Boult

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#1944511 21-Jan-2018 21:33

How about Sodhi for Santner, and replace Nicholls with another bowler. Wouldn't want to have to rely on DGH & Munro having to each bowl 10 overs.

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#1944585 22-Jan-2018 07:38

TeaLeaf:

The following team will cream Aus and be competitive with Eng.

Guptil
Munro
Philips (K)
Williamson
Worker
Taylor (C)
DGH
Nichols
Santner
Southee
Boult

I hope they pick this team then. If they pick a team that is very close to yours, we will comfortably beat AUS and be pretty competitive with ENG?

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#1944586 22-Jan-2018 07:39

BlinkyBill:
tdgeek:

BlinkyBill: Somehow, in spite of gross incompetence in terms of both selectors and team, the ‘Caps have won another one.

In what way? Despite unbeaten over these matches, we beat no one. We had luck the other day and today, Paki's showed fight, we need to learn from that. Eng/Aus we will be done

Maybe learn to recognise sarcasm. The OP’s comments and the thread title are clues.

I can recognise sarcasm, but the thread title and his posts aren't a clue. I find both bizarre

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#1944636 22-Jan-2018 10:33

I just want Larsen to recognise ODI cricket has moved on since T20 and especially with Mccullum we expect the same INTENT from our batsmen. Larsen is picking too many test players.

2 changes is all we need to have a similar style side to Eng.

Wow did Jos Butler go nuts or what, the last half of his century off 31 ball and 24 in an over. I wish Latham batted like that :-). I know Philips can.

We just need 4 Lance Cairns's for the mid to bottom lol.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D33Z04r8DJM

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#1944665 22-Jan-2018 10:45

Munro takes care of McCullum. Same intent except Munro is a proper batsman. Guptill will shine a bit more in T20. The others all need to contribute as its very easy to see the openers gone after 2 overs.

T20's are fun but its just a lottery batting practice

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#1944894 22-Jan-2018 16:57

Thats not my point, we have batsmen who can score at a high run rate with minimal risk. ODIs are easy to get a boundary and 3 singles. The problem is our middle order has noone scoring, they are all getting bowled for 10/30 type scores. Im not saying lets play t20 for 50 overs, Im saying stagger the squad with run scorers and accumulators.

Wajah just asked what Ive been asking ever since I first saw Ish Sodhi bowl live, why is he not in the ODI/Test team?

Given he is NZ's only genuine wrist spinner and has the ability to be NZ's Shane Warne with his amount of delivery types, and the turn he get is nuts. And given he is the worlds number one T20 Bowler, surely that gives him some claim to play ahead of Todd Astle and perhaps Ferguson.

Right now in tests Id pick him ahead of Santner simply because hes a wicket taker, he turns the ball, Santner just blocks an end and occasionally can score a few. Id rather have the wicket taker. In saying that I feel if Santner can get that batting worked on real hard, he could become a genuine all rounder, block up the runs at one end and average 30 would be nice. And then on turning wickets bring Sodhi in. I just feel NZ cricket are missing a trick with Ish Sodhi.

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#1944899 22-Jan-2018 17:22

Boy this T20 is awful, its like they came out and decided throw away their wickets. Every dismissal was off an ordinary ball. The only good bowling was the edge off Southee dropped by Taylor and Ish Sodhi just bamboozling Safraz who keeps to wrist spinners. Just bizarre.

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