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  #3306608 7-Nov-2024 14:10
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I DO NOT want to hear out of America moans, groans, Oh Hell, Oh Sh*t, Oh WT*, for at least 4 years. You got what you voted for, popular & Collage. And if you didn't vote then you all only have yourselves to blame.

 

"Davon haben wir nichts gewusst", which translates to "We knew nothing about that". You have had 10 years to get to know this person and yet you still believe in his rhetoric and outright falsehoods.

 

According to the Washington Post during Trumps first presidency, he lied 30,573 times. He is a convicted felon, twice impeached, four times indicted, liable of rape, convicted for financial fraud, guilty of hiding hush money payments to a porn actress in attempt to influence 2016 elections and is still under 10's of other State and Federal investigations before various courts. 6 or 7 times bankrupt. I don't think any other world elected leader has had as much baggage as this man and yet still is elected.

 

He is NOT going to look after you, the average American in your rental property or mortgaged white picket fence, school drop out or collage graduate looking for a job. In fact with his proposed new taxes, tariffs, total restructuring of the Federal system and courts (Project 2025), and lets not forget about the deportations of your; cook, bottle washer, gardener, pool boy, the average educated or uneducated Caucasian American or Black American from the burbs wont do those jobs unless they are paid a decent rate, so you are going bleed money till you are on the street. Even those in the Hampton's, Palm Beach, New York Central Park etc, who a lot actually voted for him will eventually scream, Oh Why ME - What Have We Done - Oh Woe is Me.

 

AND YET you, America, still voted for him or did not vote at all.

 

Start changing the recipe because your American Apple Pie has long fallen off the apple cart and is looking very rotten!

 

 

 

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  #3306610 7-Nov-2024 14:11
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I'm getting out of this thread and the Trump thread.

 

I'm also removing the Washington Post and NY Times Politics RSS feeds from my reader.





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  #3306611 7-Nov-2024 14:17
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Plain and Simple, this was a thrashing, and tells the Democrats they didn't offer the people what they wanted.

 

I can't comprehend electing him (it makes me sick to my stomach), but elect him they did, by a sizeable margin, so it's the will of the American people. They clearly are prepared to pay the price for whatever it was they think he offers. 

 

America has handed him an absolute mandate, knowing full well what he is both capable and incapable of being. With control of the house AND Senate, there can be no question of it. 

 

We are a tiny tiny little fish. This has it's benefits, but means in this, we have no say, or sway. 

 

The most immediate annoying thing for me is the infantile obsession with the press (and people in general who breathlessly consume it) to ensure every photograph shows him in the least flattering way, to provide snippets of sound without context and to comment on every single hair out of place or physical movement. It's exhausting.

 

In 2024, can we just knock this crap off, and challenge policy and use fact based logic to oppose political action? There will be no shortage of it to oppose it would seem.

 

I wanted a different result, I think they made a terrible mistake, but I am not American and so I am not wasting my energy on something I have no control over.

 

 




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  #3306612 7-Nov-2024 14:17
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Wiktionary: "Nobody ever went broke underestimating the taste of the American people"   (and variants)   🙄

 

Widely attributed to American author and social critic H. L. Mencken (1880–1956) but not found in his published works, so the source and original form of this expression are not known with certainty.





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  #3306665 7-Nov-2024 16:01
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Again thank God we live in New Zealand.

Though the Trump shadow falls far.

Off the top of my head, we may, by necessity, be drawn to close ties closer to China. Shudder.

Maybe we could open a golf course, with gold plated golf clubs to curry favor. On the 8th hole add a fountain with a large Trump statute, with oversized hands and golden shower feature. We could give Trump soccer shoes to better kick the golf ball. Maybe let his sons step on a kiwi at a sanctuary.

I do feel closer to the British voters, and their series of Conservative Party prime ministers.


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  #3306673 7-Nov-2024 16:43
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Surely Trump won't hold a grudge against New Zealand when dolling out 100% tariffs.

 

I'm sure Trump won't remember that long flight to New Zealand.
All to be told he was not a suitable person to operate what became the Sky City Casino. 


 
 
 
 

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  #3306678 7-Nov-2024 17:05
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Paul1977:

 

Will the Democrats finally learn their lesson? Their near decade long strategy of "the other guy is worse" has always been terrible. And now not only has it lost them the Presidency and the Senate, but it's lost them the popular vote for the first time in 20 years as well (and probably the House of Representatives).

 

Middle America believes they've been abandoned by the Democrats. True or false, the Democrats have failed miserably to convince them otherwise.

 

I saw a regular Republican voter interviewed the other day. I'm paraphrasing, but he essentially said "I don't like Trump, he has no redeeming qualities whatsoever. But the other side are socialists". In a contest of vilifying the other team, the Republicans are better at it.

 

I've been saying it for years - the Democrats need to put forwards a candidate that people will vote FOR. In 2008 and 2012 Democrats voted FOR Barack Obama. In 2016, 2020, and 2024 nobody voted for Clinton, Biden, or Harris; they voted AGAINST Trump. The Democrats just don't seem to understand the difference.

 

 

Interesting point. So, if you were running the show, who would you put forward for this year's election?

 

I'm starting to think Biden hung on too long and dropped out far too late, giving Harris very little time to get herself ready for a nationwide campaign.


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  #3306682 7-Nov-2024 17:13
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I think frail Biden would have still been a better candidate than Harris. 

In the end the dems have themselves to blame, they had 4 years to think about this. 


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  #3306689 7-Nov-2024 17:45
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  #3306690 7-Nov-2024 17:55
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Wombat1:

 

I think frail Biden would have still been a better candidate than Harris. 

In the end the dems have themselves to blame, they had 4 years to think about this. 

 

 

His dottery debate essentially turned people off him, and the media pounced on him. He had deteriorated a lot since 2020. IMO there should be an age limit on holding that sort of position. Being 82 and still in office for Trump IMO is too old . People have a use by date. They should have got Obama involved 4 years ago IMO. Not sure if she will now ever stand. Maybe for the next one as Harris will now never be President after that showing. 


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  #3306691 7-Nov-2024 17:59
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quickymart:

Paul1977:


Will the Democrats finally learn their lesson? Their near decade long strategy of "the other guy is worse" has always been terrible. And now not only has it lost them the Presidency and the Senate, but it's lost them the popular vote for the first time in 20 years as well (and probably the House of Representatives).


Middle America believes they've been abandoned by the Democrats. True or false, the Democrats have failed miserably to convince them otherwise.


I saw a regular Republican voter interviewed the other day. I'm paraphrasing, but he essentially said "I don't like Trump, he has no redeeming qualities whatsoever. But the other side are socialists". In a contest of vilifying the other team, the Republicans are better at it.


I've been saying it for years - the Democrats need to put forwards a candidate that people will vote FOR. In 2008 and 2012 Democrats voted FOR Barack Obama. In 2016, 2020, and 2024 nobody voted for Clinton, Biden, or Harris; they voted AGAINST Trump. The Democrats just don't seem to understand the difference.



Interesting point. So, if you were running the show, who would you put forward for this year's election?


I'm starting to think Biden hung on too long and dropped out far too late, giving Harris very little time to get herself ready for a nationwide campaign.



No it’s the opposite. She had too long. She started out wildly popular but the more people saw the word salad non answers and guffawing the less they liked her. Walz just made things worse. At the very least they should have had Shapiro.

 
 
 

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  #3306698 7-Nov-2024 18:48
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quickymart:

 

Interesting point. So, if you were running the show, who would you put forward for this year's election?

 

I'm starting to think Biden hung on too long and dropped out far too late, giving Harris very little time to get herself ready for a nationwide campaign.

 

 

i think you don't understand, they don't want Kamala Harris.

 

even the Washington Post, a liberal (Democrat) newspaper said that in March.

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2024/03/15/kamala-harris-quit-biden-2024/

 

 


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  #3306704 7-Nov-2024 19:14
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Wombat1:

 

I think frail Biden would have still been a better candidate than Harris. 

In the end the dems have themselves to blame, they had 4 years to think about this. 

 

 

when i watched CNN yesterday they showed a graphic that Harris did worse than Biden in 2020 in every state, so you may have a point


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  #3306706 7-Nov-2024 19:38
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Batman:

 

quickymart:

 

Interesting point. So, if you were running the show, who would you put forward for this year's election?

 

I'm starting to think Biden hung on too long and dropped out far too late, giving Harris very little time to get herself ready for a nationwide campaign.

 

 

i think you don't understand, they don't want Kamala Harris.

 

even the Washington Post, a liberal (Democrat) newspaper said that in March.

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2024/03/15/kamala-harris-quit-biden-2024/

 

 

I do understand, but you could also argue any Democrat would have had a similar result to the one Harris got. Biden was fairly unpopular towards the end and I think that it would have been difficult for a lot of Democrats to distance themselves from him or show they weren't going to be merely a continuation of his administration's policies.


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  #3306720 7-Nov-2024 20:11
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freitasm:

 

I'm getting out of this thread and the Trump thread.

 

I'm also removing the Washington Post and NY Times Politics RSS feeds from my reader.

 

 

 

 

I have cancelled some US subscriptions, stopped patron payments.
I can NOT and will NOT support a fascist country.

 

I will buy European over USA.


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