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  #3166124 30-Nov-2023 08:33
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Not defending what Peters said, but do you think there is an element of "attack is the best form of defense" from the media? In the bid for headlines and clickbait, they are milking his comments for all they are worth. Like most things, in a news cycle or 2, it will be put to the archives of history as a new scandal takes hold. He was vocal about the fund before being in Govt, hes vocal about it now. I somewhat agree with Luxon's comments, whether or not there is bias is largely irrelevant, that the fund is there for the media, paid by the Govt and has conditions attached, automatically creates a perception that there could be bias. Perception is reality for many, regardless of how skewed that perception may be.




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  #3166142 30-Nov-2023 08:53
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ockel:

 

 

 

Im not sure you understand the difference between seeing financial statements of an entity (which all outsiders including the Opposition see) and undertaking due diligence as an insider.  The rolling up within business units and categories can be very different to the activities that are being undertaken in those business units.  Only insiders get a real understanding of whats been going on.  [Supie is a great recent example - a potential investor undertakes to invest subject to undertaking due diligence, but finding that financial statements arent regularly prepared and seeing the month to month financials decides its not investable and walks away.  Information from outside vs inside]

 

The PREFU statements, like the Govts monthly financial statements, dont give anywhere near the detail of whats happening in a $140bn behemoth that employs 63,000 people.

 

 

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  #3166195 30-Nov-2023 09:19
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sen8or:

 

Not defending what Peters said, but do you think there is an element of "attack is the best form of defense" from the media? In the bid for headlines and clickbait, they are milking his comments for all they are worth. Like most things, in a news cycle or 2, it will be put to the archives of history as a new scandal takes hold. He was vocal about the fund before being in Govt, hes vocal about it now. I somewhat agree with Luxon's comments, whether or not there is bias is largely irrelevant, that the fund is there for the media, paid by the Govt and has conditions attached, automatically creates a perception that there could be bias. Perception is reality for many, regardless of how skewed that perception may be.

 

 

 

 

Totally. Peters knows exactly what he's doing. He probably is annoyed with the media as well so this gives him a way to make the conversation all about himself, make Luxon look weak, and it makes it look like Luxon agrees with him so he might actually succeed in getting a small amount of revenge.

 

It was predicted that Peters (and Seymour) would run rings around Luxon and it's happening before the end of the first week.





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  #3166204 30-Nov-2023 09:47
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Peters could air his views and concerns about media bias in a considered manner. Like Hipkins would do, like Luxon would do, like Robertson would do, like Seymour would do, and anyone else in Government/Opposition 

 

But loud smalmy comments while he smiles and laughs is immature and childish. Its not what he says, it's how he says it. Whether he is losing it, or whether its a power play to shore up his position in Government and/or weaken Luxon, hard to know. This isn't leadership of NZ lawmakers


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  #3166281 30-Nov-2023 11:09
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It strikes me as being very Trump-like (and ridiculous).


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  #3166390 30-Nov-2023 13:00
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I don't feel Winston believes his BS about the press. His goal is to out press coverage Luxon and Seymour, to that end he is succeeding.  


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  #3166399 30-Nov-2023 13:35
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In my opinion its very early days. We need to wait and see what happens too many early judgements.

The last 3 years has been terrible. Really un-organised, huge public spending on organisations that have achieved nothing. Crime has got very bad. 

Hopefully we can restore some order. And start spending the public funds efficiently.


 
 
 

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  #3166400 30-Nov-2023 13:37
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One consolation is that when Peters retires NZF are toast.

 

His ego has never allowed him to line up a successor. It's all about him and never about his party or those that vote for him.


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  #3166408 30-Nov-2023 13:57
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darylblake:

 

In my opinion its very early days. We need to wait and see what happens too many early judgements.

 

Are you new to the internet? :)

 

But agree completely, lets not jump to too many conclusions before the ink is even dry on the coalition agreements.


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  #3166432 30-Nov-2023 14:58
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darylblake:

 

Crime has got very bad.

 

 

 

 

Except ... despite the seven dozen stories a day about ram raids before election day (and zero after) that's actually been falling for months. Indeed, despite scoffing at Labour's additional funding for fog cannons, the program was originally a National government program  (sorry, site is apparently under maintenance right now) because in 2016, guess what we had an epidemic of?

 

Inflation was already falling under Labour - the last figures came out the week after election day. And for a government that didn't achieve anything, the NAFT government is going to spend an awful lot of its first 100 days repealing all the nothing that the last government achieved.

 

Your perception of crime being bad is certainly coloured strongly by the stories that are published in the media. I'm not suggesting that the opposition has some sort of vested interest in exaggerating that or anything, but the ram raids didn't stop the day after the election. Why did the stories?





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  #3166434 30-Nov-2023 15:10
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Kelvin Davis, reducing the prison population by a 1/3. Increasing home punishments. And bragging about how successful they are in the corrections numbers... its a recipe for disaster.... 

If they want to do something so stupid, they actually need an alternative plan. Most of these people have re-offended or associated with new youth criminals once they were released..... 

 

 

 

Labour got it wrong.. trying to do the right thing.. unfortunately it doesn't work. And the increase in crime has proven the point. Im not saying national govt will be better or will be able to assist in solving it.. what I am saying is since 2017 its got a lot worse.


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  #3166439 30-Nov-2023 15:57
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darylblake:If they want to do something so stupid, they actually need an alternative plan. Most of these people have re-offended or associated with new youth criminals once they were released..... 

 

 

You need to support an assertion like that. Otherwise it is just another Trump 'truth'.

 

 





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  #3166540 30-Nov-2023 19:42
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darylblake:

 

In my opinion its very early days. We need to wait and see what happens too many early judgements.

The last 3 years has been terrible. Really un-organised, huge public spending on organisations that have achieved nothing. Crime has got very bad. 

Hopefully we can restore some order. And start spending the public funds efficiently.

 

 

Ok. 

 

The last 3 years has been terrible. Covid, Ukraine, yes very terrible.

 

Re the NZFirst/ACT/National coalition, yes we do need to see how they go. Too early to say, although if I go back to 2017, somebody here got their calculator out, 100,000 divided by 10 years and divided to get the last 11 hours of houses not built under Kiwibuild. Pathetic.

 

Back to your post, no one here is criticising what the Coalition has achieved. For obvious reasons. What is being posted, here and in the media and internationally is accountably, no one should have an issue with that. Supporting smoking for tax gathering reasons, dismissing EV subsidies for tax gathering reasons, giving super low tax cuts that cannot be afforded, banning gang patches in public and they cannot talk to each other, backdating landlord benefits yet admitting that it wont reduce rents (I was a landlord at age 19 and on and off since) This is accountability. IMHO I thought once all the election hoopla is over this will go quiet (for the reasons you stated) but it hasn't as there are many anti social, anti climate change and divise issues going on. Then factor in uncontrollable Peters. If some citizens have issues with that, its accountability. Put the views forward if need be, but please get rid of campaign slogans and avoidance. Thats not a lot to ask is it?

 

EDIT the latter comment is Luxon and Willis, not you


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  #3166541 30-Nov-2023 19:43
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darylblake:

 

 

 

Labour got it wrong.. trying to do the right thing.

 

Nailed it


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  #3166560 30-Nov-2023 20:34
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darylblake:

 

Labour got it wrong.. trying to do the right thing.. 

 

 

 The problem is that 'trying to do the right thing' ended up with no real difference in outcome or possibly even worse outcomes than we could have had under Bill English's social investment program, which was dismantled to be replaced by some vague notion of 'wellbeing'. We heard a lot about it at Budget Time but not much about in on a functional basis; e.g. literacy rates, school attendance, immunisation rates etc.  

 

Labour talked a lot about doing the right thing but they lacked the capability or capacity to make it happen and it just so happened that it coincided with one the biggest periods of social upheaval in modern NZ. Ultimately they could not make a case for more the same muddling nothingness so the electorate rejected them. You could perhaps take it as a sign they have not learned anything from the last three years by their largely identical top 10 positions being held by people with the same portfolios they presided over as Ministers (with extremely mixed results). 

 

Unfortunately there is no one in National of English's calibre and the liberals they do have are more of the modern American kind as opposed to the classical Westminster/modern centre-right pragmatists. There is little for the working classs in the current policy suite from National because there are basically no working class liberal Nats left. 


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