Donald Trump, US President #47, US President #45, convicted felon, twice impeached, four times indicted, liable of rape, convicted for financial fraud, guilty of hiding hush money payments to porn actress in attempt to influence 2016 elections

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#3095109 26-Jun-2023 15:35

neb: Seems kind of odd that a super-successful billionaire has to use online begging campaigns to cover his legal fees, most of which he'll presumably never pay anyway.

His reputation precedes him - now he has to pay his lawyers in advance. 🙄

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#3095122 26-Jun-2023 16:01

neb:
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He's going to need as much as he can steal. 🙄

Seems kind of odd that a super-successful billionaire has to use online begging campaigns to cover his legal fees, most of which he'll presumably never pay anyway.

I've never understood that either. If he (supposedly) has so much money, why the constant need to ask for donations?

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#3095127 26-Jun-2023 16:23

quickymart:I've never understood that either. If he (supposedly) has so much money, why the constant need to ask for donations?

That is how he maintains his (Supposedly - as you (& I) say) wealth!

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#3095140 26-Jun-2023 16:56

neb: Seems kind of odd that a super-successful billionaire has to use online begging campaigns to cover his legal fees, most of which he'll presumably never pay anyway.

Hopefully it doesn't go up his son's nose.

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#3095162 26-Jun-2023 17:51

From Wikipedia:

"George Orwell coined the term doublethink in his 1949 dystopian novel Nineteen Eighty-Four.

...the novel explicitly shows people learning doublethink due to peer pressure and a desire to 'fit in,' or gain status within the Party—to be seen as a loyal Party Member.

In the novel, for someone to even recognize—let alone mention—any contradiction within the context of the Party line is akin to blasphemy, and could subject that person to disciplinary action and the instant social disapproval of fellow Party Members."

The Independent: Republicans’ enduring fealty to Trump on display at conference after his indictment

Republicans’ enduring loyalty to Donald Trump was on vivid display at a conservative conference this weekend, convened just two weeks after the former president was indicted on 37 federal charges related to his alleged mishandling of classified documents.

Addressing this year’s Road to Majority conference Saturday, Trump lashed out against federal prosecutors, who have accused the former president of intentionally withholding classified documents from authorities and obstructing justice in his efforts to keep those materials concealed. Trump, who could soon face additional charges in Washington and Georgia, told the friendly crowd that he considered each of his two indictments so far to be “a great badge of courage” as he ran to unseat Democratic incumbent Joe Biden.

“Joe Biden has weaponized law enforcement to interfere in our elections,” Trump told the conservative audience. “I’m being indicted for you.”

Trump was among several Republican presidential candidates to speak at the conference, held in Washington and hosted by the rightwing evangelical group Faith and Freedom Coalition.

His message was echoed by some of his presidential primary opponents, several of whom used their conference speeches to attack the allegedly politicized department of justice.

Florida governor Ron DeSantis promised to replace the FBI’s director – Christopher Wray, appointed during Trump’s presidency – while South Carolina US senator Tim Scott pledged to fire attorney general Merrick Garland and “change the trajectory of this nation by focusing on restoring confidence and integrity” in the US justice department.
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#3095259 27-Jun-2023 09:43

kingdragonfly:

Trump was among several Republican presidential candidates to speak at the conference, held in Washington and hosted by the rightwing evangelical group Faith and Freedom Coalition.

When religious groups directly interfere in politics they should be stripped of their tax-free status.

Want to be tax-free? Then do community good, not enrich corrupt fake religious leaders and meddle in politics.

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#3095344 27-Jun-2023 11:08

We known where this is going: mob boss style witness tampering and getting death-threats.

Except all other mob bosses, even Pablo Escobar, were less successful at evading justice.

The US: the best justice money can buy.

The Guardian: List of witnesses against Trump cannot be secret in documents case, Trump appointed judge rules

In her first pre-trial ruling, Trump-appointed judge Aileen Cannon rules against the government

The federal judge presiding over the criminal prosecution of Donald Trump in the classified documents case ruled against the government in her first pre-trial order on Monday, denying a request from federal prosecutors to file a list of potential witnesses against the former US president under seal.

“The government’s motion does not explain why filing the list with the court is necessary; it does not offer a particularized basis to justify sealing the list from public view,” the US district court judge Aileen Cannon wrote.

The immediate effect of the ruling from Cannon – a Trump appointee – was mainly that the list of 84 witnesses who may testify against Trump at trial would be made available publicly instead of just to the defense teams unless the government filed a new motion requesting to file the list under seal.
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#3095350 27-Jun-2023 11:16

Honestly I don't it was a hard sale to convince antigovernmental borderline-anarchist conspiracy nuts.

Washington Post: How Trump convinced his base that his indictments were aimed at them

Visitors to Donald Trump’s campaign website are immediately implicated in his current legal travails.

“They’re not after me,” text in the primary image on the site reads. “They’re after you … I’m just standing in their way!”

As though attribution were needed, the quote is sourced to Donald J. Trump, 45th president of the United States.

This idea that Trump faces a legal threat as a proxy for his base of support was offered explicitly during Trump’s speech at the Faith and Freedom Coalition over the weekend.

“Every time the radical-left Democrats, Marxist, communists and fascists indict me, I consider it a great badge of courage,” Trump said. “I’m being indicted for you, and I believe the you is more than 200 million people that love our country.”

That phrasing is dripping with hyperbole. Trump’s federal indictment came at the hands of an experienced federal prosecutor who is in no realistic way a “radical-left Democrat,” much less any of the other (contradictory) categories offered. Trump’s implication that his base of support numbers 200 million is heavily inflated.

Those exaggerations have a purpose. Two-hundred-million Americans are more than three-quarters of the adult population, but they’re also obviously more than half of the country, bolstering Trump’s long-standing claim that he is leading a “silent majority” (despite earning less than a majority of the vote in the 2016 presidential primaries, 2016 election and 2020 election). His framing of his opponents as politically opposed to that base — using vaguely defined pejoratives very familiar to supporters who remember the Cold War — is also familiar in a terrain littered with “Republicans in name only.”

Everyone agrees with him and anyone who doesn’t is a traitor. Simple enough.

Even in that context, though, making his indictment on charges of retaining classified material universal would seem to be a stretch. The investigation into Russian interference was abstract enough that suggesting that it was rooted in hostility was credible. But the FBI found those documents at his house! Where’s the wiggle room?

The immediate answer is that right-wing media spends much less time talking about Trump’s various scandals than do traditional news outlets. In the past month, Fox News has mentioned Trump’s indictment less than half as often as CNN, for example.
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#3095400 27-Jun-2023 13:04

Anti-Trump minute from Chris Christie gets booed and cheered at Faith and Freedom. Crowd shots show a number of maga hats yelling. Imo he'll need Secret Service protection in a couple more weeks.

Unlikely candidate for 2024. As an anti-Trump quarterback he could get a good run.

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#3095492 27-Jun-2023 16:00

The Washington Post - Opinion - Moves to expunge Trump impeachments would be laughable if not so dangerous

26 June 2023

Last week, Reps. Marjorie Taylor Greene (R-Ga.) and Elise Stefanik (R-N.Y.) introduced resolutions to “expunge” former president Donald Trump’s two impeachments, “as if such Articles of Impeachment had never passed the full House of Representatives.”

Incredibly, House Speaker Kevin McCarthy (R-Calif.) - whose job is to be the adult in the room - said Friday that he supports this initiative, which actual adults can see is ridiculous and obviously futile.

The aim appears to be to allow Trump to claim that despite the events we all witnessed, he was never impeached at all. That lie can then become part of the fake historical record he sells to his supporters. ...

To flatter Trump’s vanity and help him politically, Greene and Stefanik want to create a kind of alternate-universe timeline in which President Donald the Great was never really impeached - because, considering his Greatness, how could he have been?

The right-wing media echo chamber will treat the expungement as legitimate, which would make the impeachments somehow illegitimate.

And the nation’s information gap, already a canyon, will further widen.

Very 1984. 🙄

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#3095494 27-Jun-2023 16:07

From around the web today:

https://thehill.com/opinion/campaign/4065434-donald-trump-has-a-2024-math-problem/ >> he sure does.

https://www.politico.com/news/2023/06/26/ron-desantis-new-hampshire-00103519 > De Santis needs to watch what he does a bit more closely.

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#3095512 27-Jun-2023 17:05

Donald in the John With Boxes - A Randy Rainbow Song Parody

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#3095652 27-Jun-2023 22:18

https://plus.thebulwark.com/p/mike-pence-still-twisting-the-truth-for-trump

Despite the orange buffoon threatening Pence's life and not really caring about it on January 6, for some reason the latter still feels the need to be an apologist for Trump's behaviour. Why is that, I wonder?

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#3095668 28-Jun-2023 07:06

freitasm:

kingdragonfly:

Trump was among several Republican presidential candidates to speak at the conference, held in Washington and hosted by the rightwing evangelical group Faith and Freedom Coalition.

When religious groups directly interfere in politics they should be stripped of their tax-free status.

Want to be tax-free? Then do community good, not enrich corrupt fake religious leaders and meddle in politics.

Eg Destiny Church.

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#3095889 28-Jun-2023 15:35

https://www.vox.com/politics/2023/6/27/23775770/trump-audio-indictment-documents indeed it does.

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