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#2113266 24-Oct-2018 16:11

While people don't directly vote for a PM it's a but naive to say prefered prime minister doesn't matter. The leader has a huge impact on their parties rating - look at the difference Adern made to Labour.

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#2113267 24-Oct-2018 16:18

clevedon:

MikeB4:

No peace for Simon Bridges with the latest opinion poll.....

Preferred Prime Minister:

Jacinda Ardern – 42% (up 2%)
Simon Bridges – 7% (down 3%)
Judith Collins – 5% (up 3%)
Winston Peters – 4% (down 1%)

Party Support:

Labour Party – 45% (up 3%)
National Party – 43% (down 2%)
Green Party – 7% (up 1%)
New Zealand First – 5% (steady)
Maori Party – 1% (steady)

I've never really got the "preferred Prime Minister" poll?

You vote for the party, not the Prime Minister (unless you're in the electorate seat)

The numbers above only add up to 58%

So 42% don't know or can't be bothered or all other candidates only score 3% or less and aren't shown, which doesn't matter anyway.

So what's the point of the poll when you compare it to what people actually vote for (the party they want in Government) on the day?

In the end there is only one poll that counts. These polls are only indicators and also keep the journalists busy. If this were an election result and teh results were translated into seats in the House Labour would be able to Govern without NZ First. I think this poll is worsed for NZ First with their vote down at the margin of error and Winston Peters dropping. I think NZ First will suffer the coalition curse in 2020.

Here is a crazy notion, lets give peace a chance.

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#2113301 24-Oct-2018 17:02

Handle9: While people don't directly vote for a PM it's a but naive to say prefered prime minister doesn't matter. The leader has a huge impact on their parties rating - look at the difference Adern made to Labour.

Yeah but National is only 2% behind Labour in the preferred party vote, so what does preferred prime minister have to do with it?

It might as well be called a popularity contest.

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#2113304 24-Oct-2018 17:14

clevedon:

The numbers above only add up to 58%

So 42% don't know or can't be bothered or all other candidates only score 3% or less and aren't shown, which doesn't matter anyway.

So what's the point of the poll when you compare it to what people actually vote for (the party they want in Government) on the day?

The preferred leader question is asked as follows:

“Thinking about all current MPs of any party, which one would you personally prefer to be Prime Minister?”
IF NO ONE
“Is there anyone who is not a current MP who you would prefer to be Prime Minister?”

The previous poll (July/August), it looks like about 31% didn't know, 2% refused to state, 4% stated none.

Some of the lower scoring preferred PMs nominated are presumably also a kind of protest vote. John Key, Bill English and Helen Clark all featured - Key actually score the same 2% as Collins.

n=>1000, so presumably 20 people genuinely blurted out John Key's name.

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#2113341 24-Oct-2018 17:29

clevedon:

It might as well be called a popularity contest.

I'm actually fine with that - or "light entertainment" - if it keeps people somewhat attached to / interested in the political process.

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#2113347 24-Oct-2018 17:36

I've always thought a big chunk of the population interpret the preferred PM question as "Who is the PM".

It's usually the incumbent or their predecessor who wins.

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#2113877 25-Oct-2018 15:20

Nicky Hagar's take on the Ross/Bridges events:

The Spinoff: A bit of context helps. The book Dirty Politics shows that Jami-Lee Ross won the candidacy of the Botany electorate and entered national politics primarily with the aid of the Dirty Politics pair Slater and Lusk. Besides advising him, they used personal attacks to smear the other National Party hopefuls for that electorate and thus cleared the way for Ross. It was they who made him MP for Botany. News stories revealed that these same two were supporting (and presumably encouraging) Ross in last week’s attacks on the party leader. Ross shows all the signs of being an apprentice of their destructive type of politics.

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#2113880 25-Oct-2018 15:27

Bridges confirms calling Slater of the Whale Oil blog to discuss Ross:

NZHerald: Bridges' office confirmed to the Herald that Bridges called Slater to give the right-wing attack blogger assurances over decisions about Ross having been made after taking proper medical advice. The phone call confirms Slater's key role in the Ross affair, which has caused the National Party more than a week of anxiety and chaos.

Published prior to Hagar's article.

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#2113886 25-Oct-2018 15:36

The involvement of Slater and co will make me reconsider my support of the National Party.

Here is a crazy notion, lets give peace a chance.

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#2113889 25-Oct-2018 15:39

MikeB4:

The involvement of Slater and co will make me reconsider my support of the National Party.

Only now?

Have you read Dirty Politics?

Most of the posters in this thread are just like chimpanzees on MDMA, full of feelings of bonhomie, joy, and optimism. Fred99 8/4/21

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#2113895 25-Oct-2018 15:47

MikeB4:
The involvement of Slater and co will make me reconsider my support of the National Party.

I assume Slater was Ross's nominated representative during the earlier period of medical leave and Bridges call to Slater was in that context rather than anything particularly nefarious.

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#2113896 25-Oct-2018 15:47

MikeB4:
The involvement of Slater and co will make me reconsider my support of the National Party.

There is a reason they are at war with Bridges.

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#2113900 25-Oct-2018 15:53

Slater is no different than some of the individuals influencing US politics

Here is a crazy notion, lets give peace a chance.

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#2113963 25-Oct-2018 17:19

MikeB4:

The involvement of Slater and co will make me reconsider my support of the National Party.

Why so late?

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#2113991 25-Oct-2018 17:49

Never liked that Whaleoil guy, but he seems to think everyone loves him. The final straw was when he came out with that stupid "feral" comment about Coasters a few years ago. That's where I'm from, and I think he deserved all the blowback he got for saying something so ridiculous.

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