sir1963:

 

elpenguino:

 

 

 

Clearly this program was thought up by someone who doesn't know how hard it is to get a teenager to do something if they dont want to.

 

 

 

It will probably run something like this.

 

 

 

Day 1

 

Right you lot, get out of bed now ! It's 5AM.

 

Nah. Don wannu.

 

Get out of bed now !!

 

Nah.

 

Get out of bed or I'll make your life hell !

 

??? That was quick

 

 

 

 

It was actually thought up by people with very low imagination.

 

They from their point of privilege think that kind of punishment is the answer.
Problem is, these kids have nothing, they have nothing to lose, that happens with poverty. Taking something off people that they dont have is stupid, it can't and wont work.
OOOOoooo...punishment...for kids living in houses of abuse and violence is far worse, all you are doing is saying to these kids "We hate you too", so they hate back.

 

Give them 3 meals a day at school
Have smaller class sizes, every kid you keep out of prison is $150k a year saved.
 more flexibility is what is taught, you are better off having a kid engaged for 3 hours a day than not turning up. Get retired trades people involved, teaching them building, bike repairs, gardening, Maori carving, rock climbing. Teaching kids they can do things, they can win, they have value then gently gives them the idea they now have something to lose (and you do not need to tell them or threaten them with it). Give them multiple goes at it, they are going to screw up, but forgiveness and "lets have another go" will achieve more that "The beatings will continue until morale improves".
 Take government funding away from private schools and put it into schools of need, and charter schools can go get stuffed too.

 

Work with these kids for 10+ years, so they have a chance of a job, a life, of being able to earn money and respect from their community, not a gang.

 

For the people advocating this stuff the cruelty is the point. Didn't our government just finish an enquiry and issue a formal apology for abuse inflicted on young people in similar programs back in the 1970s/80s when a previous iteration of this idea was implemented? It is as if news happens in a c omplete vacuum.