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#431386 26-Jan-2011 13:23

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So I'm the one in Auckland who's subsidizing your power??

That's a slippery argument . . .

This is where I pop in and say "I'm the one in the South Island subsidizing your power in Auckland" :-)

shall we keep sliding.... we do pay quite a bit more for our power in auckland, not sure if you're subsidising us there.

also, where does the money for all the nice roads out to the little towns come from? most likely from the taxes, petrol taxes, RUCs etc from the residents of our largest cities. i doubt any of the small towns would have roads if they had to pay for their own.

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#431414 26-Jan-2011 14:35

exactly my point about it being a slippery argument to introduce.

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#431622 26-Jan-2011 23:48

Can the cabinets be double-stacked on top of each other? so instead of serving only 300 customers they could serve 600?

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#431626 26-Jan-2011 23:52

tombrownzz: Can the cabinets be double-stacked on top of each other? so instead of serving only 300 customers they could serve 600?

i suspect that the cabinet dimensions (for one or more cabinet sizes) are probably contained in some RMA ruling which may prevent any changes without going through a new (and expensive) resource consent process. There would almost certainly be a height restriction which would prevent stacking them on top of one another.

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#431627 26-Jan-2011 23:55

have a read of this article, courtesy of google/nbr, which has a pretty picture of a cabinet:

http://www.nbr.co.nz/article/vodafone-orcon-slam-comcom-ruling-telecom-cabinets-103887

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also this document http://www.mfe.govt.nz/publications/rma/nes-telecommunication-facilities-user-guide/nes-telecommunications-facilities-appendix1.pdf which talks about regulations:

the cabinets footprint must be no more than 1.4m2. The cabinet must be no higher than the height of the concrete foundation plinth, if there is one, plus 1.8m

it goes on to talk about locating 2 or more cabinets in proximity, there are additional sizes and restrictions stated.

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#431673 27-Jan-2011 08:40

Cabinets are simply more densely placed in more densely populated areas. If you go to most Citys you will sometimes see cabinets every couple of blocks.

You also have to remember that most of the cabinets are installed where (and replace) existing cable cross connect cabinets where, these also typically only had a 300 line ceiling.

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Regs: have a read of this article, courtesy of google/nbr, which has a pretty picture of a cabinet:

http://www.nbr.co.nz/article/vodafone-orcon-slam-comcom-ruling-telecom-cabinets-103887

also this document http://www.mfe.govt.nz/publications/rma/nes-telecommunication-facilities-user-guide/nes-telecommunications-facilities-appendix1.pdf which talks about regulations:

the cabinets footprint must be no more than 1.4m2. The cabinet must be no higher than the height of the concrete foundation plinth, if there is one, plus 1.8m

it goes on to talk about locating 2 or more cabinets in proximity, there are additional sizes and restrictions stated.

In the above NBR article I find it funny that Vodafone which is valued at over £100billion pounds is crying poverty when they have the cash to build their own network.

In respects to the second point, where I am right now cabinets will apparently be installed June 2011 so it will be interesting to see whether the ADSL connection goes from a woeful 3400kbps to something approaching reasonable.

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#432040 28-Jan-2011 00:38

tombrownzz: Can the cabinets be double-stacked on top of each other? so instead of serving only 300 customers they could serve 600?

There are double door cabinets where needed serving.. up to 600 customers.

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Regs: with all those fibre-fed cabinets, you'd think there wouldnt be any backhaul problems any more...

There aren't. The constraints that many ISP's have issues with are handover links which are dimensioned at 48kbps per user for a standard ADSL2+ plan or 96kbps for VDSL. Most ISP's don't seem willing to pay extra money to get a higher speed.

Really, I was under the impression that those ISP which don't fit under 45kbps / user were willing and happy to throw some more money telecom wholesales way in order to get better service.

With the option to get buba with higher per user dimensions it will finally allow ISPs to properly offer plans with internationally accepted data caps. About time too, ISPs want users to download more, they make money off bandwidth after all.

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#432045 28-Jan-2011 06:22

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Really, I was under the impression that those ISP which don't fit under 45kbps / user were willing and happy to throw some more money telecom wholesales way in order to get better service.

With the option to get buba with higher per user dimensions it will finally allow ISPs to properly offer plans with internationally accepted data caps. About time too, ISPs want users to download more, they make money off bandwidth after all.

Higher dimensioning has been trialled for the last few months and launches on the 1st Feb. The feedback I've been hearing is that a number of ISP's aren't happy having to pay more money for this.

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#432070 28-Jan-2011 09:17

sbiddle:
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Really, I was under the impression that those ISP which don't fit under 45kbps / user were willing and happy to throw some more money telecom wholesales way in order to get better service.

With the option to get buba with higher per user dimensions it will finally allow ISPs to properly offer plans with internationally accepted data caps. About time too, ISPs want users to download more, they make money off bandwidth after all.

Higher dimensioning has been trialled for the last few months and launches on the 1st Feb. The feedback I've been hearing is that a number of ISP's aren't happy having to pay more money for this.

It's probably a combination of having to pay more money and not having an easy excuse for their poor international bandwidth anymore....

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#432663 29-Jan-2011 19:56

sbiddle:
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Really, I was under the impression that those ISP which don't fit under 45kbps / user were willing and happy to throw some more money telecom wholesales way in order to get better service.

With the option to get buba with higher per user dimensions it will finally allow ISPs to properly offer plans with internationally accepted data caps. About time too, ISPs want users to download more, they make money off bandwidth after all.

Higher dimensioning has been trialled for the last few months and launches on the 1st Feb. The feedback I've been hearing is that a number of ISP's aren't happy having to pay more money for this.

Time for those ISP's to suck it up or leave the market if they can't meet the demand of consumers.

The fact that Telecom is charging $81 for 40GB is a cruel and unusual joke that only a third world basket case could ever justify - yet we have idiots in the ISP who think that '40GB is more than enough!".

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#432710 29-Jan-2011 22:33

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The fact that Telecom is charging $81 for 40GB is a cruel and unusual joke that only a third world basket case could ever justify - yet we have idiots in the ISP who think that '40GB is more than enough!".

I recall reading a few days ago the average American internet user only uses just on 15GB per month, and that's in a country with high caps. For many users 40GB is a massive amount of data.

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#432775 30-Jan-2011 11:07

Looking forward to ditching TCL cable now our cabinet is ready.

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#432798 30-Jan-2011 12:08

SteveON: Looking forward to ditching TCL cable now our cabinet is ready.

This surprises me... I used to have TCL cable and while their support is staggeringly bad, I never had an issue with the actual performance of their cable product... Why are you switching?

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#432874 30-Jan-2011 17:05

Talkiet:
SteveON: Looking forward to ditching TCL cable now our cabinet is ready.

This surprises me... I used to have TCL cable and while their support is staggeringly bad, I never had an issue with the actual performance of their cable product... Why are you switching?

Steve needs to troll other companies... And share the love around

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