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#974338 25-Jan-2014 21:30

andrewNZ:
every dishwasher manual will tell you handles down except items like sharp knives, whick should always be handle up.

I suppose if your knives are blunt then it doesn't matter. I keep mine very very sharp.

They have manuals? Anyway, I dont really see what difference it makes unless you are in the habit of sticking your hand into the dishwasher before removing the cutlery basket. Have had the ends of knives chop out the little mesh at the bottom of the basket in the past, and those things are a pain to source a new one of that will go into the dishwasher (sure, could use any random one but it wont go in as nicely) - I wanted a second one for clean and dirty so that I didnt have to unload it before being able to start loading another one and it was expensive and took weeks to get so I treat them really nice now. No knife in contact with the basket.

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#974352 25-Jan-2014 21:53

richms:
andrewNZ:
every dishwasher manual will tell you handles down except items like sharp knives, whick should always be handle up.

I suppose if your knives are blunt then it doesn't matter. I keep mine very very sharp.

They have manuals? Anyway, I dont really see what difference it makes unless you are in the habit of sticking your hand into the dishwasher before removing the cutlery basket.

People have died as a result of this...
http://www.snopes.com/horrors/parental/dishwasher.asp

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#974368 25-Jan-2014 22:32

dolsen:
richms:
andrewNZ:
every dishwasher manual will tell you handles down except items like sharp knives, whick should always be handle up.

I suppose if your knives are blunt then it doesn't matter. I keep mine very very sharp.

They have manuals? Anyway, I dont really see what difference it makes unless you are in the habit of sticking your hand into the dishwasher before removing the cutlery basket.

People have died as a result of this...
http://www.snopes.com/horrors/parental/dishwasher.asp

Sure. Irresponsible parents are unfortunately the cause for the death of many children. But its not reason enough to put warning labels on everything. These parents were to blame and they should be charged with negligence. Leaving a dishwasher door open with knives sticking upwards is inexcusable and does not take any more than a bit of common sense that its a tragedy waiting to happen.

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#974372 25-Jan-2014 22:44

Klipspringer: But its not reason enough to put warning labels on everything.

Peanut butter jar with warning "Warning: contains peanuts".

(I'm told it's a requirement to list "contain peanuts" even if it's clearly evident from the product itself. Apparently governments have to regulate stupid)

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#974374 25-Jan-2014 22:45

Anyway, the cutlery holder usually stays on the bench in the small sink untill its time to put the dishwasher on. Although at the rate the flatmate and his girlfriend go thru dishes that is almost a daily occurance now.

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#974464 26-Jan-2014 08:05

I never realised that warning labels had such a huge impact on peoples lives. These harmless little objects must have a previously undisclosed cost both immotionaly and fiscal.

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#974470 26-Jan-2014 08:45

KiwiNZ: I never realised that warning labels had such a huge impact on peoples lives. These harmless little objects must have a previously undisclosed cost both immotionaly and fiscal.

Good try. It's not a direct impact on normal people, but as in everything that is regulated there's a cost of compliance. Someone needs to ensure it's there, someone needs to check it's there. It's fine if it's something like "this product was handled in a line that also processes nuts, dairy" but getting to the point of telling people that peanut butter contains peanuts...

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#974479 26-Jan-2014 09:25

freitasm:
KiwiNZ: I never realised that warning labels had such a huge impact on peoples lives. These harmless little objects must have a previously undisclosed cost both immotionaly and fiscal.

Good try. It's not a direct impact on normal people, but as in everything that is regulated there's a cost of compliance. Someone needs to ensure it's there, someone needs to check it's there. It's fine if it's something like "this product was handled in a line that also processes nuts, dairy" but getting to the point of telling people that peanut butter contains peanuts...

if there were not warnings etc the cost of remedy would be higher, e.g. Hospital admissions. But again does a statement printed on a label that was being printed anyway stating "contains peanuts" really affect ones day to day life?

if they safe a life or stop and injury it is worth and no harm done.

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#974509 26-Jan-2014 10:30

Check your insurance policy, you may find that although you can legally do some DIY work, you insurance policy may exclude it.

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#974517 26-Jan-2014 10:44

Do you have an example or is this more FUD?

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#974616 26-Jan-2014 13:46

Bung: Do you have an example or is this more FUD?

It was bought up on TV when the rules changed, and insurance company said DIY work would NOT be covered.
Even when inspected people can do stupid things behind walls (And I have seen some of that)

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#974630 26-Jan-2014 14:43

The current code of practice ECP 51 for diy work is dated 2004. It replaced one dated 1993. There's nothing new about legal work. Any sound bite on tv whenever it was made was probably aimed at illegal work.

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#976986 30-Jan-2014 01:25

Klipspringer:
KevinL:
jeffnz:I haven't missed the point at all, she spilt coffee over herself not Macdonalds that is was hot would be expected unless you had ordered it cold. It had a warning on it but was deemed not big enough, really so when does common sense prevail or are we so entrenched in abdicating responsibility we can't think for ourselves.

I'm not arguing the legal issue just the fact it gets to that stage.

It got to that stage because McDonald's wouldn't chip in $20k towards her medical expenses :p

Why should they?

I'm with McDonalds on that one.

Google up the documentary. She suffered 3rd degree burn. The coffee was too hot, real hot. The machine was set above the recommended limit.

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