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#918980 21-Oct-2013 10:10

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Gilco2: no, it didnt delete any of my store apps. All were still there after upgrade. Not sure off habd so would have to search but I think it only does if you have been using Windows 8.1 preview version then install the final version. Going from Windows 8 to Windows 8.1 wasnt affected

Really want to know this

I work for a large retail company and our internet pipe is restrictive at the best of times (20-50kb/s) and this is frankly ridiculous!

Some important customers were promised free upgrades to 8.1 in the week after it dropped, management never expected something like this even though we suggested it was possible -_-

Also on the machines I have done so far, no local account option, is there something I am missing here or has Microsoft truly decided to force everyone onto it?

What the hell happens for new purchasers who take these machines to the country or some internet deprived place? Unacceptable imo there simply has to be an option for a local account of some description.

Yes, I was forced to create a cloud account during 8.1 setup -- i couldn't see where local account was allowed.

but, you can go in after configuring and change it back to local.

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#918984 21-Oct-2013 10:17

Greaver: Also on the machines I have done so far, no local account option, is there something I am missing here or has Microsoft truly decided to force everyone onto it?

What the hell happens for new purchasers who take these machines to the country or some internet deprived place? Unacceptable imo there simply has to be an option for a local account of some description.

I updated my Windows 8 (Pro) installation to Windows 8.1; my Win8 setup only had a Local Account, because I'm still not convinced yet I want to buy into the "Microsoft Account" for using Windows concept.

During the upgrade, after accepting the EULA, I was asked to confirm my Local Account password; then was told "Next you'll setup your account", followed by "Sign in to your Microsoft Account". From here, I discovered that if I went into the "Create a New Account" option (in small writing at the bottom of the screen), and then selected the "Continue using my existing account" option (again, in small writing at the bottom of the screen), I wasn't forced into creating a Microsoft Account, and the machine seems to be happy with just the Local Account. Rebooted, still able to login, no prompting for a Microsoft Account.

So, there is a way - it isn't entirely obvious or intuitive, but there you are... (A lot of Windows 8.x, in my opinion, fails the "obvious or intuitive" test; but that's another rant for a different time!)

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#919001 21-Oct-2013 10:25

Greaver:
Gilco2: no, it didnt delete any of my store apps. All were still there after upgrade. Not sure off habd so would have to search but I think it only does if you have been using Windows 8.1 preview version then install the final version. Going from Windows 8 to Windows 8.1 wasnt affected

Really want to know this

I work for a large retail company and our internet pipe is restrictive at the best of times (20-50kb/s) and this is frankly ridiculous!

Some important customers were promised free upgrades to 8.1 in the week after it dropped, management never expected something like this even though we suggested it was possible -_-

Also on the machines I have done so far, no local account option, is there something I am missing here or has Microsoft truly decided to force everyone onto it?

What the hell happens for new purchasers who take these machines to the country or some internet deprived place? Unacceptable imo there simply has to be an option for a local account of some description.

what version are you using? are you using a Volume Licensed version?

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#919004 21-Oct-2013 10:28

nathan:
Greaver:
Gilco2: no, it didnt delete any of my store apps. All were still there after upgrade. Not sure off habd so would have to search but I think it only does if you have been using Windows 8.1 preview version then install the final version. Going from Windows 8 to Windows 8.1 wasnt affected

Really want to know this

I work for a large retail company and our internet pipe is restrictive at the best of times (20-50kb/s) and this is frankly ridiculous!

Some important customers were promised free upgrades to 8.1 in the week after it dropped, management never expected something like this even though we suggested it was possible -_-

Also on the machines I have done so far, no local account option, is there something I am missing here or has Microsoft truly decided to force everyone onto it?

What the hell happens for new purchasers who take these machines to the country or some internet deprived place? Unacceptable imo there simply has to be an option for a local account of some description.

what version are you using? are you using a Volume Licensed version?

You can create a local account during setup, or after setup

PC Settings, Accounts, Other accounts, Add an account, “Sign in without a Microsoft account”

Microsoft Accounts aren't forced on anyone, we know that customers that use MSAs have much higher satisfaction since it enables the full Windows experience

Even if you use a Microsoft account, you don't need an Internet connection to logon

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#919005 21-Oct-2013 10:29

jamesrt:
Greaver: Also on the machines I have done so far, no local account option, is there something I am missing here or has Microsoft truly decided to force everyone onto it?

What the hell happens for new purchasers who take these machines to the country or some internet deprived place? Unacceptable imo there simply has to be an option for a local account of some description.

I updated my Windows 8 (Pro) installation to Windows 8.1; my Win8 setup only had a Local Account, because I'm still not convinced yet I want to buy into the "Microsoft Account" for using Windows concept.

During the upgrade, after accepting the EULA, I was asked to confirm my Local Account password; then was told "Next you'll setup your account", followed by "Sign in to your Microsoft Account". From here, I discovered that if I went into the "Create a New Account" option (in small writing at the bottom of the screen), and then selected the "Continue using my existing account" option (again, in small writing at the bottom of the screen), I wasn't forced into creating a Microsoft Account, and the machine seems to be happy with just the Local Account. Rebooted, still able to login, no prompting for a Microsoft Account.

So, there is a way - it isn't entirely obvious or intuitive, but there you are... (A lot of Windows 8.x, in my opinion, fails the "obvious or intuitive" test; but that's another rant for a different time!)

Yup they have sure made it harder than it should be. I also am one of the people who believe that delivery exclusively via store except for VL customers is a little naff. Sometimes people prefer Installation media.

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#919008 21-Oct-2013 10:32

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jamesrt:
Greaver: Also on the machines I have done so far, no local account option, is there something I am missing here or has Microsoft truly decided to force everyone onto it?

What the hell happens for new purchasers who take these machines to the country or some internet deprived place? Unacceptable imo there simply has to be an option for a local account of some description.

I updated my Windows 8 (Pro) installation to Windows 8.1; my Win8 setup only had a Local Account, because I'm still not convinced yet I want to buy into the "Microsoft Account" for using Windows concept.

During the upgrade, after accepting the EULA, I was asked to confirm my Local Account password; then was told "Next you'll setup your account", followed by "Sign in to your Microsoft Account". From here, I discovered that if I went into the "Create a New Account" option (in small writing at the bottom of the screen), and then selected the "Continue using my existing account" option (again, in small writing at the bottom of the screen), I wasn't forced into creating a Microsoft Account, and the machine seems to be happy with just the Local Account. Rebooted, still able to login, no prompting for a Microsoft Account.

So, there is a way - it isn't entirely obvious or intuitive, but there you are... (A lot of Windows 8.x, in my opinion, fails the "obvious or intuitive" test; but that's another rant for a different time!)

Yup they have sure made it harder than it should be. I also am one of the people who believe that delivery exclusively via store except for VL customers is a little naff. Sometimes people prefer Installation media.

You can buy installation media. Do you get installation media when you upgrade your iPad or Nexus 7 to a new version?

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#919024 21-Oct-2013 10:39

nathan:
networkn:
jamesrt:
Greaver: Also on the machines I have done so far, no local account option, is there something I am missing here or has Microsoft truly decided to force everyone onto it?

What the hell happens for new purchasers who take these machines to the country or some internet deprived place? Unacceptable imo there simply has to be an option for a local account of some description.

I updated my Windows 8 (Pro) installation to Windows 8.1; my Win8 setup only had a Local Account, because I'm still not convinced yet I want to buy into the "Microsoft Account" for using Windows concept.

During the upgrade, after accepting the EULA, I was asked to confirm my Local Account password; then was told "Next you'll setup your account", followed by "Sign in to your Microsoft Account". From here, I discovered that if I went into the "Create a New Account" option (in small writing at the bottom of the screen), and then selected the "Continue using my existing account" option (again, in small writing at the bottom of the screen), I wasn't forced into creating a Microsoft Account, and the machine seems to be happy with just the Local Account. Rebooted, still able to login, no prompting for a Microsoft Account.

So, there is a way - it isn't entirely obvious or intuitive, but there you are... (A lot of Windows 8.x, in my opinion, fails the "obvious or intuitive" test; but that's another rant for a different time!)

Yup they have sure made it harder than it should be. I also am one of the people who believe that delivery exclusively via store except for VL customers is a little naff. Sometimes people prefer Installation media.

You can buy installation media. Do you get installation media when you upgrade your iPad or Nexus 7 to a new version?

Yes Nathan, but at the end of the day, one of the benefits of the MS Eco system is that they didn't use to operate like this (Also why you would want to simulate the inferior iDevices) . I certainly understand for tablets, but for desktops/notebooks? I am just saying it should be an option (clearly marked) to download the installation media.

It's the way it used to be, not sure what MS saw was wrong with that.

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#919026 21-Oct-2013 10:42

Its a new Operating System version not a Service Pack, it just happens to be available for no-charge

But I take you point about how do you upgrade someone with poor Internet or Satellite Internet, or no Internet etc

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#919029 21-Oct-2013 10:44

nathan: Its a new Operating System version not a Service Pack, it just happens to be available for no-charge

But I take you point about how do you upgrade someone with poor Internet or Satellite Internet, or no Internet etc

Also doesn't really give you the flexibility to choose WHEN you do the upgrade as you aren't sure how long the download/upgrade will take

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#919033 21-Oct-2013 10:49

my sons HP Envy x2 is on it's way out to me to try and fix, he tried upgrading to 8.1 and it has bricked his machine.

Here is a crazy notion, lets give peace a chance.

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#919035 21-Oct-2013 10:57

nathan:
Greaver:
Gilco2: no, it didnt delete any of my store apps. All were still there after upgrade. Not sure off habd so would have to search but I think it only does if you have been using Windows 8.1 preview version then install the final version. Going from Windows 8 to Windows 8.1 wasnt affected

Really want to know this

I work for a large retail company and our internet pipe is restrictive at the best of times (20-50kb/s) and this is frankly ridiculous!

Some important customers were promised free upgrades to 8.1 in the week after it dropped, management never expected something like this even though we suggested it was possible -_-

Also on the machines I have done so far, no local account option, is there something I am missing here or has Microsoft truly decided to force everyone onto it?

What the hell happens for new purchasers who take these machines to the country or some internet deprived place? Unacceptable imo there simply has to be an option for a local account of some description.

what version are you using? are you using a Volume Licensed version?

Unfortunately not this is literally retail with OEM machines

Thank you very much for the heads up on keeping local accounts jamesrt

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#919041 21-Oct-2013 11:05

Greaver:
Gilco2: no, it didnt delete any of my store apps. All were still there after upgrade. Not sure off habd so would have to search but I think it only does if you have been using Windows 8.1 preview version then install the final version. Going from Windows 8 to Windows 8.1 wasnt affected

Really want to know this

I work for a large retail company and our internet pipe is restrictive at the best of times (20-50kb/s) and this is frankly ridiculous!

Some important customers were promised free upgrades to 8.1 in the week after it dropped, management never expected something like this even though we suggested it was possible -_-

Also on the machines I have done so far, no local account option, is there something I am missing here or has Microsoft truly decided to force everyone onto it?

What the hell happens for new purchasers who take these machines to the country or some internet deprived place? Unacceptable imo there simply has to be an option for a local account of some description.

Don't worry, They have a solution for that too

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#919064 21-Oct-2013 11:29

nathan:

You can create a local account during setup, or after setup

I believe you are mistaken in that one can create a local account during the 8.1 upgrade setup.

At least, when I upgraded, the process is that it is mandatory to create an online account. It caused me some minor hassles as I was in a bit of a rush at the time and didn't expect this curveball.

But, you are right in that you can change this after setup. So, it is just poor setup design rather than a cunning conspiracy to get people to use online accounts.

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#919068 21-Oct-2013 11:33

Greaver: Thank you very much for the heads up on keeping local accounts jamesrt

No problem. Hope it helps others too (although my post clearly came too late for @surfisup1000, I'm afraid)...

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#919077 21-Oct-2013 11:55

surfisup1000:
nathan:

You can create a local account during setup, or after setup

I believe you are mistaken in that one can create a local account during the 8.1 upgrade setup. At least, when I upgraded, the process is that it is mandatory to create an online account. It caused me some minor hassles as I was in a bit of a rush at the time and didn't expect this curveball.

But, you are right in that you can change this after setup. So, it is just poor setup design rather than a cunning conspiracy to get people to use online accounts.

I presume that creating a local account can still be done in the same way as with the 8.1 preview - disconnect internet or use invalid email address:
http://www.infobyte.hr/blog/337/windows-8-1-preview-how-to-install-without-microsoft-account-skip-microsoft-account/

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