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#3151743 24-Oct-2023 13:31

Really - https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby-world-cup-2023/300994680/rugby-world-cup-world-rugby-confirms-they-are-probing-allegations-against-bongi-mbonambi

Everyone is pulling this out of proportion - he said "wit kant" which is afrikaans for "white side" as in the white side has the ball. I wish journalism would go back to their roots about doing research in stead of just repeating what others said

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#3151747 24-Oct-2023 13:39

It is especially bemusing that it's a white player complaining a black player racially abused him 🤦‍♂️I should think it's a pretty high bar for something to be considered racist towards a white person.

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#3151752 24-Oct-2023 14:06

freitasm: NZ Herald:
Manning said the arrest came as Zaoui was preparing to return to New Zealand later this year and to then live between the two countries. He was planning to return to NZ later this year and to live between Algeria and NZ.
I am not sure. Was he planning to go live in Australia then?

Looks like the text has been updated. It still includes the expression. It's one of those many cases of a very common shortened expression in everyday use and the shortened expression makes no logical literal sense.

It's a shortened form of dividing time between two countries.

If it's wrong or right to use the common shortform expression verbatim? depends on the style guide in use.

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#3151764 24-Oct-2023 14:43

I am not complaining about using the short form expression. I am talking about the same information repeated in two sentences, one after the other, in the same paragraph.

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#3151973 25-Oct-2023 09:34

Silvrav:

Really - https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby-world-cup-2023/300994680/rugby-world-cup-world-rugby-confirms-they-are-probing-allegations-against-bongi-mbonambi

he said "wit kant" which is afrikaans for "white side" as in the white side has the ball.

I'm not so sure. It does sound like a desperate grasp for a credible explanation to me.

Do the Springboks normally/often/sometimes speak Afrikaans on the field? I'd guess that's probably true. Mbonambi himself is multi-lingual in at least English and Afrikaans.

I really don't know Afrikaans rugby vernacular. But in NZ, you would never say "white side" to indicate that the team in white had the ball. Instead, you would say "white ball" or "their ball" or "English/England ball" or even just "white" or "theirs". But maybe he said "Wat kant", meaning "What side?"

Conversely, would you swear at some-one in English rather than Afrikaans? Probably, if you wanted them to understand exactly what you were meaning.

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#3151975 25-Oct-2023 09:49

frankv:

Silvrav:

Really - https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby-world-cup-2023/300994680/rugby-world-cup-world-rugby-confirms-they-are-probing-allegations-against-bongi-mbonambi

he said "wit kant" which is afrikaans for "white side" as in the white side has the ball.

I'm not so sure. It does sound like a desperate grasp for a credible explanation to me.

They need to reach for the Guy Ritchie book of explanations,,

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#3151976 25-Oct-2023 09:57

frankv:

Silvrav:

Really - https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby-world-cup-2023/300994680/rugby-world-cup-world-rugby-confirms-they-are-probing-allegations-against-bongi-mbonambi

he said "wit kant" which is afrikaans for "white side" as in the white side has the ball.

I'm not so sure. It does sound like a desperate grasp for a credible explanation to me.

Do the Springboks normally/often/sometimes speak Afrikaans on the field? I'd guess that's probably true. Mbonambi himself is multi-lingual in at least English and Afrikaans.

I really don't know Afrikaans rugby vernacular. But in NZ, you would never say "white side" to indicate that the team in white had the ball. Instead, you would say "white ball" or "their ball" or "English/England ball" or even just "white" or "theirs". But maybe he said "Wat kant", meaning "What side?"

Conversely, would you swear at some-one in English rather than Afrikaans? Probably, if you wanted them to understand exactly what you were meaning.

Springboks speak afrikaans exclusively on the field and has since the 90s to ensure the opposition does not understand them. Famously first figured out in the line outs in 95 where numbers being shouted was in afrikaans.

English is Mbonambi third language, so white ball/white side is interchangeable. There is a good clip where you can hear Faff also shouting white side in Afrikaans during a scrum. It is definitely not a desperate grasp.

and being Afrikaans myself, I can tell you if he wanted to swear at the english team, there are much more preferred words and phrases to use than using a phrase they would understand.

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#3152013 25-Oct-2023 11:20

Silvrav:

and being Afrikaans myself, I can tell you if he wanted to swear at the english team, there are much more preferred words and phrases to use than using a phrase they would understand.

If you are Afrikaans, wouldn't you pronounce it 'kahnt' rather than the other way?

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#3152017 25-Oct-2023 11:36

Rikkitic:

Silvrav:

and being Afrikaans myself, I can tell you if he wanted to swear at the english team, there are much more preferred words and phrases to use than using a phrase they would understand.

If you are Afrikaans, wouldn't you pronounce it 'kahnt' rather than the other way?

Nope, kant in Afrikaans phonetically sounds exactly like you would say c*** in English.

kahnt - is if you reading the afrikaans word in an English way.

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#3152024 25-Oct-2023 12:19

Silvrav:

kahnt - is if you reading the afrikaans word in an English way.

Actually I was reading it in the Dutch way.

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#3152026 25-Oct-2023 12:23

Rikkitic:

Silvrav:

kahnt - is if you reading the afrikaans word in an English way.

Actually I was reading it in the Dutch way.

aa that makes sense as well.

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#3152051 25-Oct-2023 12:59

Silvrav: Everyone is pulling this out of proportion - he said "wit kant" which is afrikaans for "white side" as in the white side has the ball. I wish journalism would go back to their roots about doing research in stead of just repeating what others said

Media correctly reported Tom Curry's exchange with the referee. No other information was available at the time. A complaint had been made and that complaint was correctly reported. Incidentally, media also reported it was a contentious game and Mbonambi refused to shake hands with Curry at the end of the game. Again, accurate.

Rugby isn't the kind of game where media routinely interview every player after the match to get each side of the story. This kind of thing goes into a meeting between SA Rugby and World Rugby for ajudication.

Incidentally the same audio analysis that was not available to media at the time reveals an additional line-out call possibility "Wyd kant" - Wide side in English.

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#3152257 25-Oct-2023 22:32

Journeyman:

It is especially bemusing that it's a white player complaining a black player racially abused him 🤦‍♂️I should think it's a pretty high bar for something to be considered racist towards a white person.

I would vehemently disagree. Racism is racism no matter who says it and who is the target. It's unacceptable no matter what or who. There is only one bar.

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#3153230 29-Oct-2023 08:21

Lucky I know the actual time

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#3153984 31-Oct-2023 12:39

https://www.waikatotimes.co.nz/a/nz-news/350100797/waitress-pitch-sex-work-shocks-mum

Sidenote: It still baffles me that in NZ it is still mainstream to use a 12 hour clock in just about every scenario. (I grew up in continental Europe where, even back in the 1970s , in anything but informal conversation, using a 24 hour clock was the norm, particularly in written dialogue, whether it be newspaper articles, timetables, doctor's appointment notes, railway station signage, etc.). Would have been zero ambiguity if they'd written "20:30 on Saturday" in the article.

Sometimes I use big words I don't always fully understand in an effort to make myself sound more photosynthesis.

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