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kryptonjohn

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#2077856 23-Aug-2018 11:50

Fred99:

kryptonjohn:

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kryptonjohn:

Not too many dairy farms in Auckland. Humans are responsible for the worst river pollution in NZ.

Not by water volume / river numbers / river length they aren't.

Anyway - so what?

It's a classic whataboutism defense - "don't look at us - look at what they do".

"So what?"

The point is that these high-horse riders tut-tutting about farmers need to take a long look at themselves as well.

Unless they are happy to just remain as hypocrites that is...

No - you're trying to defend the indefensible - using whataboutism - once again.

What freaking "high horse riders"?

If Auckland needs to clean up it's act WRT sewage overflow to stormwater etc - that's something that they need to do - regardless of what's done in the 98% of NZ that isn't Auckland - and vice versa. They are separate issues with separate causes and separate solutions - not bargaining chips for your politically biased disingenuous arguments.

Oh for god's sake, tell me where I defended anyone above?

I said:

"And the some of the most polluted rivers in NZ are polluted by human waste not cows."

and:

"Not too many dairy farms in Auckland. Humans are responsible for the worst river pollution in NZ."

Not defending anyone. Get off your high horse.

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#2077861 23-Aug-2018 11:54

Fred99:

No - you're trying to defend the indefensible - using whataboutism - once again.

What freaking "high horse riders"?

If Auckland needs to clean up it's act WRT sewage overflow to stormwater etc - that's something that they need to do - regardless of what's done in the 98% of NZ that isn't Auckland - and vice versa. They are separate issues with separate causes and separate solutions - not bargaining chips for your politically biased disingenuous arguments.

The issue is: What is the water standard for streams and rivers and beaches?

Then apply the same standard everywhere.

Then take enforcement action consistently against farmers, factories, councils and house-owners with illegal cross-connections to storm-water and sewage systems.

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#2077864 23-Aug-2018 11:56

kryptonjohn:

Not defending anyone. Get off your high horse.

Oh of course you weren't. LOL.

Two posts in a row when others rightly or wrongly criticised Fonterra's environmental record, you respond with off-topic "whatabout" posts referencing Auckland water pollution.

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#2077865 23-Aug-2018 11:57

Geektastic: My taste buds tell me that the milk isn't all the same though; I have no information other than my tastebuds, but Anchor tastes as though the cream content is slightly higher to me. The home brands taste thinner.

A2 tastes very good (although I am continually amazed that they make no effort to explain what A2 milk is, or why a consumer might want it, on their packaging) .............

I have always been a great milk drinker, at least ½ ltr/day since we had a house cow as a kid (that is the best milk!!!) Started drinking A2 milk in Aussie which to begin with was imported from Sth Island farms which was ground zero for this milk. Then in the early part of this century they sold breeders to Sth Queensland farmers to produce the A2 milk. The price dropped by about $1 from A$6 to A$5 per two litres and spread from niche health food stores to supermarkets. We returned from Aussie 2014 and continued buying A2 which in Tauranga, only Countdown was selling at $4.90/ two litres. A friend reported that pak ´n Sav Tauranga Crossing are selling it for $5.20 now.

As usual the monopolist Fonterra fought the A2 corporation aiming at the A2 health benefit claims versus the perceived dangers of A1 milk. A2 withdrew their health marketing claims due to NZ & Aussie laws. Much to Fonterra's chagrin A2 is continuing to gain a good market share. Apparently they are releasing other A2 dairy products but I haven't seen them yet. We would like to see A2 ice cream.

All I can say is the reason we buy A2 is my partner has a minor lactose intolerance (bloating) and with A2 there is no bloating. It does taste great with a good hint of milk fat. Apparently research has shown that A1 and A2 proteins digest differently. There is allot of anecdotal talk about A2 benefits but I don't know of any definitive scientific studies.

But who cares we like it even if it is quite expensive.

Whilst the difficult we can do immediately, the impossible takes a bit longer. However, miracles you will have to wait for.

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#2077868 23-Aug-2018 12:02

Fred99:

Oh of course you weren't. LOL.

Two posts in a row when others rightly or wrongly criticised Fonterra's environmental record, you respond with off-topic whatabout posts referencing Auckland water pollution.

Off-topic is talking about Fonterra pollution in a thread about the taste of milk. There's no sense in you now having a selective whinge about being off-topic because someone mentions city pollution.

Your own bias leads you to make knee jerk reactions and incorrect assumptions. You just can't help yourself from dragging everything you disagree with into a political argument.

Get off your high horse.

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#2077878 23-Aug-2018 12:25

kryptonjohn:

Your own bias leads you to make knee jerk reactions and incorrect assumptions. You just can't help yourself from dragging everything you disagree with into a political argument.

Get off your high horse.

Those two statements together beg hysterical laughter as the only rational response.

You can't show that I've got any political bias at all from what I've said above. I don't like blatant whataboutism used as a disingenuous method by some people who like to think it gives them an upper hand in a debate. It should always be challenged.

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#2077951 23-Aug-2018 14:01

FineWine:

Geektastic: My taste buds tell me that the milk isn't all the same though; I have no information other than my tastebuds, but Anchor tastes as though the cream content is slightly higher to me. The home brands taste thinner.

A2 tastes very good (although I am continually amazed that they make no effort to explain what A2 milk is, or why a consumer might want it, on their packaging) .............

I have always been a great milk drinker, at least ½ ltr/day since we had a house cow as a kid (that is the best milk!!!) Started drinking A2 milk in Aussie which to begin with was imported from Sth Island farms which was ground zero for this milk. Then in the early part of this century they sold breeders to Sth Queensland farmers to produce the A2 milk. The price dropped by about $1 from A$6 to A$5 per two litres and spread from niche health food stores to supermarkets. We returned from Aussie 2014 and continued buying A2 which in Tauranga, only Countdown was selling at $4.90/ two litres. A friend reported that pak ´n Sav Tauranga Crossing are selling it for $5.20 now.

As usual the monopolist Fonterra fought the A2 corporation aiming at the A2 health benefit claims versus the perceived dangers of A1 milk. A2 withdrew their health marketing claims due to NZ & Aussie laws. Much to Fonterra's chagrin A2 is continuing to gain a good market share. Apparently they are releasing other A2 dairy products but I haven't seen them yet. We would like to see A2 ice cream.

All I can say is the reason we buy A2 is my partner has a minor lactose intolerance (bloating) and with A2 there is no bloating. It does taste great with a good hint of milk fat. Apparently research has shown that A1 and A2 proteins digest differently. There is allot of anecdotal talk about A2 benefits but I don't know of any definitive scientific studies.

But who cares we like it even if it is quite expensive.

I like it too - I think it tastes very good.

In long ago, far off days of yore, I worked for a year milking cows before going up to university. I should think I got through 5 or 6 litres a day, dipped straight out of the bulk tank.

That stint of work is one reason I won't eat yoghurt - one of my jobs periodically was climbing into the bulk tank and scrubbing the parts the auto washer could not reach, which over time accumulated what looked a lot like yoghurt! The other reason of course is that yoghurt tastes vile...!

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#2077953 23-Aug-2018 14:03

kryptonjohn:

Geektastic:

vexxxboy:

MileHighKiwi: Budget Milk, 2L blue top at pak n save Upper Hutt was $3.52 last time I shopped there. That's pretty good. I only buy Budget or Homebrand milk.

which comes of the same production line as the Anchor milk, just with different labelling , so you are drinking Anchor milk.

My wife used worked at Fonterra for a while and she confirmed to me that they do bottle a lot of the home brands.

My taste buds tell me that the milk isn't all the same though; I have no information other than my tastebuds, but Anchor tastes as though the cream content is slightly higher to me. The home brands taste thinner.

A2 tastes very good (although I am continually amazed that they make no effort to explain what A2 milk is, or why a consumer might want it, on their packaging) and Puhoi Valley is my top pick - Half & Half if you're feeling especially devilish.

(Note - based on normal full cream blue top; I don't drink skimmed milks, as even full fat is 95% fat free. Except Puhoi Half and Half...!)

Is this our mind playing tricks on us as we (subconsciously) expect the premium brand to be better? I find the really expensive stuff such as Lewis Rd Creamery milk to be better tasting, but never buy it - far too expensive.

Ferraris are too expensive. I don't consume enough milk for it to make any appreciable difference to my expenses which one I choose.

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#2078066 23-Aug-2018 16:54

FineWine:

Geektastic: My taste buds tell me that the milk isn't all the same though; I have no information other than my tastebuds, but Anchor tastes as though the cream content is slightly higher to me. The home brands taste thinner.

A2 tastes very good (although I am continually amazed that they make no effort to explain what A2 milk is, or why a consumer might want it, on their packaging) .............

I have always been a great milk drinker, at least ½ ltr/day since we had a house cow as a kid (that is the best milk!!!) Started drinking A2 milk in Aussie which to begin with was imported from Sth Island farms which was ground zero for this milk. Then in the early part of this century they sold breeders to Sth Queensland farmers to produce the A2 milk. The price dropped by about $1 from A$6 to A$5 per two litres and spread from niche health food stores to supermarkets. We returned from Aussie 2014 and continued buying A2 which in Tauranga, only Countdown was selling at $4.90/ two litres. A friend reported that pak ´n Sav Tauranga Crossing are selling it for $5.20 now.

As usual the monopolist Fonterra fought the A2 corporation aiming at the A2 health benefit claims versus the perceived dangers of A1 milk. A2 withdrew their health marketing claims due to NZ & Aussie laws. Much to Fonterra's chagrin A2 is continuing to gain a good market share. Apparently they are releasing other A2 dairy products but I haven't seen them yet. We would like to see A2 ice cream.

All I can say is the reason we buy A2 is my partner has a minor lactose intolerance (bloating) and with A2 there is no bloating. It does taste great with a good hint of milk fat. Apparently research has shown that A1 and A2 proteins digest differently. There is allot of anecdotal talk about A2 benefits but I don't know of any definitive scientific studies.

But who cares we like it even if it is quite expensive.

That's your choice but there's no way i'll pay $6.30 for two liters of poncy milk when I can buy budget milk as half the price.

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#2078182 23-Aug-2018 21:35

Heh, I pay $5 for 2x2L Dairy Dale milk. I do understand the placebo effect can be strong. It does seem like a waste to spend so much on a staple though.

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#2078585 24-Aug-2018 14:58

Nope. Milk powder. $9 for a kg.

And I make it weaker so it's about 70c a l.

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#2078609 24-Aug-2018 15:35

old3eyes:

FineWine:

Geektastic: My taste buds tell me that the milk isn't all the same though; I have no information other than my tastebuds, but Anchor tastes as though the cream content is slightly higher to me. The home brands taste thinner.

A2 tastes very good (although I am continually amazed that they make no effort to explain what A2 milk is, or why a consumer might want it, on their packaging) .............

I have always been a great milk drinker, at least ½ ltr/day since we had a house cow as a kid (that is the best milk!!!) Started drinking A2 milk in Aussie which to begin with was imported from Sth Island farms which was ground zero for this milk. Then in the early part of this century they sold breeders to Sth Queensland farmers to produce the A2 milk. The price dropped by about $1 from A$6 to A$5 per two litres and spread from niche health food stores to supermarkets. We returned from Aussie 2014 and continued buying A2 which in Tauranga, only Countdown was selling at $4.90/ two litres. A friend reported that pak ´n Sav Tauranga Crossing are selling it for $5.20 now.

As usual the monopolist Fonterra fought the A2 corporation aiming at the A2 health benefit claims versus the perceived dangers of A1 milk. A2 withdrew their health marketing claims due to NZ & Aussie laws. Much to Fonterra's chagrin A2 is continuing to gain a good market share. Apparently they are releasing other A2 dairy products but I haven't seen them yet. We would like to see A2 ice cream.

All I can say is the reason we buy A2 is my partner has a minor lactose intolerance (bloating) and with A2 there is no bloating. It does taste great with a good hint of milk fat. Apparently research has shown that A1 and A2 proteins digest differently. There is allot of anecdotal talk about A2 benefits but I don't know of any definitive scientific studies.

But who cares we like it even if it is quite expensive.

That's your choice but there's no way i'll pay $6.30 for two liters of poncy milk when I can buy budget milk as half the price.

So, then my partner should stop buying expensive "poncy milk" that does NOT cause bloating due to lactose intolerance. I bet you would buy it if you were lactose intolerance! But following on with your "poncy" statement; all those that have celiac disease should stop buying the more expensive "poncy" large range of glutton free products and stick with the VERY small range of Home Brand GF products.

Anchor A2 Lite @ $3.99/Ltr I agree is a bit rich when you can buy A2 Full cream for $4.90/2 Ltr. But what is even richer is that Fonterra is buying their Anchor A2 milk off the A2 company and charging the consumer an outrageous fortune for it but the farmer does not get the benefit of the increase price.

Whilst the difficult we can do immediately, the impossible takes a bit longer. However, miracles you will have to wait for.

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