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DjShadow

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#29939 23-Jan-2009 19:46

Ok heres an idea for discussion, Chorus are deploying 3600 cabinets, would it be cost-effective for access seekers like Orcon and Vodafone to put their gear in all of them? or have an independent wholesaler put their gear in the exchanges and lease use of that gear? I've noticed some of the cabinets are spaced not very far apart around here, a new one has appeared approx 300m from the new one I'll be connected to I've noticed this evening.

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#191665 23-Jan-2009 21:21

From what I understand, The cabinets are all full, there design limits the amount of equipment in a cabinet to mostly one provider and I think Chorus is only install cabinets with their use in mind, I hope I'm wrong though. I hope your right about the leasing of lines, Slingshot is reselling Vodafone and they are happy, so I don't see why Chorus would not want to play that game too.

http://www.chorus.co.nz/n409 what's in the cabinet.

http://www.chorus.co.nz/enhancing-the-broadband-network even has video of bays that i got wrong lol

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#191666 23-Jan-2009 21:25

This is one of the key issues with structural seperation. Once the cabinets are in wholesale access to the lines is available at the same price to any provider - Telecom for example will pay the same price to Telecom wholesale as any other ISP.

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#191690 23-Jan-2009 22:57

Because of the organic nature of housing and original POTS telecom infrastructure growth you sometimes find next door neighbors are actually connected to different exchanges all together, it's not surprising to see cabinets close together in those kind of situations.

I have forgotten the exact details by but by something like 2011 telecom wholesale is legally required to have 70% of homes connected at 10Mbit.

Here it is...

"our commitment to enable the delivery of broadband connections between 10Mbps and 20Mbps to 80% of New Zealanders by the end of 2011."

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#191691 23-Jan-2009 23:08

Thing is, is there economical benefit for a company like Vodafone or Orcon to put their gear into a cabinet with only the potential of connecting say 50 customers?

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#191716 24-Jan-2009 01:30

first question:
Is it cost effective for another provider to put their equipment in a cabinet?

Hard to say. If they can get aenough customers then it probably is. Presumably chorus/telecom thinks it is profitable to put their equipment in the cabinets in the first place, so why should any other service provider be any different?

Second question:

Is there room in the cabinets for another serivce providers equipment?
Yes - there is generally room for one other service providers equipment. (which would in most cases be voda/ihug, if they choose to. they could then wholesale the connections to other ISPs, if they choose to)

Sbiddle: cabinisation has nothing to do with separation. Telecom Retail pay the same price to wholesale as other ISPS regardless of whether the line is fed through a cabinet or direct to the exchange

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#191763 24-Jan-2009 10:25

http://www.chorus.co.nz/enhancing-the-broadband-network has video of bays, where they show the space avialable to other providers.

Price and service will move the customers, there are a lot of people changing from Vodafone to Slingshot of 'The next big thing' and it's the same kind of thing.