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#2502666 11-Jun-2020 06:14

SaltyNZ:

It means that if you try to connect an Apple device to an SMB file share ...

It's just Apple's terrible SMB implementation...

thanks for that

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#2502667 11-Jun-2020 06:26

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I'd be a little surprised if they can make ARM faster than Intel x64, in a single thread anyway. Multi-core, sure, throw silicon at it.

Interestingly some of the synthetic benchmarks I've looked at today suggest the A12 bionic has slightly better single core performance than an 8th generation i5.

With decent cooling it could be a big winner.

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#2502668 11-Jun-2020 06:27

Handle9:
timmmay:

I'd be a little surprised if they can make ARM faster than Intel x64, in a single thread anyway. Multi-core, sure, throw silicon at it.

Interestingly some of the synthetic benchmarks I've looked at today suggest the A12 bionic has slightly better single core performance than an 8th generation i5.

With decent cooling it could be a big winner.

Got a link?

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#2503015 11-Jun-2020 15:23

https://www.geeksultd.com/2018/11/apples-new-a12x-bionic-kills-the-desktop-grade-i5-8400-in-benchmarks/

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#2503022 11-Jun-2020 15:40

You get the feeling the Apple are trying to develop a code once run anywhere type ecosystem, where its pretty easy to develop apps that run across a variety of products... phones, tablets, PCs... all on the same silicon...

Now how this turns out in practice given the huge UX differences from a touch screen device to a traditional pointer centric device like a laptop is a big ???

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#2503028 11-Jun-2020 15:45

I don't think it's a code thing as much as controlling their entire supply chain. Intel hasn't been very effective at delivering compelling new processors in the last few years. If Apple are already developing processors that are as powerful as Intel's and have better power characteristics it makes sense for them to leverage that investment.

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#2503445 12-Jun-2020 10:22

I would imagine a beefed up version of an iPad Pro A-series chip with higher clocks or more cores in an iMac or Macbook body would be plenty for most "normal" people.

In the same way that most users don't really need anything more powerful than an i3 in a windows laptop.

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#2510417 23-Jun-2020 12:41

Well, its been officially announced now.

The dev platform is a mash up of an ipad & mac mini.

https://9to5mac.com/2020/06/22/arm-mac-apple/

No laptop announced yet, but apparently planned for late 2020.

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#2511712 24-Jun-2020 20:12

Apples biggest problem is the lack of virtualisation solutions, eg VDI.

Covid19 has changed the world, the ability to "work from home" has become important. With VDI employees can use their home computer as the front end to a much more powerful back end, eg a laptop could be hooked into a 16 core/256GB Ram virtual machine for rendering video, etc. They have no need to own the software on their home machine, its a much more functional form of Remote desktop. And when they sign off this "hardware" can be reconfigured on the fly as 8 2 core machines. The plus side is instead of having high end desktop machines staff can get away with an Intel NUC instead, and it gives an overall savings on hardware costs.

Apple does not allow for this. The options are Windows/Linux.

Sure you can use a Mac as the "front end", but with all the OS/Apps being Windows/Linux what is the point in having a Mac.

This could be the hole in the lineup that kills Apple.

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#2511713 24-Jun-2020 20:16

sir1963:

Apples biggest problem is the lack of virtualisation solutions, eg VDI.

Covid19 has changed the world, the ability to "work from home" has become important. With VDI employees can use their home computer as the front end to a much more powerful back end, eg a laptop could be hooked into a 16 core/256GB Ram virtual machine for rendering video, etc. They have no need to own the software on their home machine, its a much more functional form of Remote desktop. And when they sign off this "hardware" can be reconfigured on the fly as 8 2 core machines. The plus side is instead of having high end desktop machines staff can get away with an Intel NUC instead, and it gives an overall savings on hardware costs.

Apple does not allow for this. The options are Windows/Linux.

Sure you can use a Mac as the "front end", but with all the OS/Apps being Windows/Linux what is the point in having a Mac.

This could be the hole in the lineup that kills Apple.

Lol. I really don't think a lack of VDI will kill iphone sales.

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#2511716 24-Jun-2020 20:23

Exactly, sales of desktops and laptops of any flavour are irrelevant in today's IT sales so hardly a priority for them.

If you look beyond what Apple do, most large IT focused companies are concentrating on their cloud efforts, not desktops. That's my 2c ymmv

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#2512179 25-Jun-2020 14:39

Surely with full control of the hardware & software they could implement their own VDI compatibility if it was deemed worthwhile?

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#2512181 25-Jun-2020 14:46

Handle9:

sir1963:

Apples biggest problem is the lack of virtualisation solutions, eg VDI.

Covid19 has changed the world, the ability to "work from home" has become important. With VDI employees can use their home computer as the front end to a much more powerful back end, eg a laptop could be hooked into a 16 core/256GB Ram virtual machine for rendering video, etc. They have no need to own the software on their home machine, its a much more functional form of Remote desktop. And when they sign off this "hardware" can be reconfigured on the fly as 8 2 core machines. The plus side is instead of having high end desktop machines staff can get away with an Intel NUC instead, and it gives an overall savings on hardware costs.

Apple does not allow for this. The options are Windows/Linux.

Sure you can use a Mac as the "front end", but with all the OS/Apps being Windows/Linux what is the point in having a Mac.

This could be the hole in the lineup that kills Apple.

Lol. I really don't think a lack of VDI will kill iphone sales.

If that's all Apple is interested in then, sure.

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#2512314 25-Jun-2020 16:32

OOI, as long as it does what it says on the tin, who would care what chip was in it and why?

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#2512329 25-Jun-2020 16:41

Geektastic:

OOI, as long as it does what it says on the tin, who would care what chip was in it and why?

Generally I wouldn't care, but I like the idea of more/better software becoming available as a result of developers being able to easily port between Apple's different platforms.

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