Whats the big Apple announcement going to be [2010-11-16]?

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#405710 17-Nov-2010 09:15

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To be honest, I don't get it. Surely, if you are that much of a beetles fan that this is news then would you not already have the beetles albums anyway - and you know - ripped them into iTunes?

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#405741 17-Nov-2010 09:56

jjnz1: I think it is a big day, not for individuals, but for media/entertainment industry as a whole.

Now that the Beatles go electronic, watch as the rest of the non believers of electronic distribution change their minds and transform the way they reach people of a very large scale.

This is a turning point as people start to believe!

How is this a game changer when every other band and label in the world is already doing digital distribution?

A game changer would be full lossless audio with full album art and video's thrown together in a package - i.e. what itunes LP should have been.

The beatles music both lossless and mp3 has been available via ilegal downloads from day one - the remasters were up on the pirate bay in flac the day they were released. True fans already have the beatles in digital format from downloading or ripping their own CD's.

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#405742 17-Nov-2010 09:56

gehenna:

So while this might not be the epic announcement that a Geekzone consumer might want, that's not to say it's not epic and memorable for the general consumer.

I don't think if you asked 10 people on the street, if this is a day you will remember for the rest of your life, even if they were starbucks carrying, iPod listening consumers with no computer knowledge, you would struggle to find them suggesting this day will live in infamy.

Don't get me wrong, I have iMac's, iPod's, iPhones, buy all my music from iTunes, but really?

If the Beatles came to my house and sung me a song, that is a day I would remember for the rest of my life.

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#405744 17-Nov-2010 10:02

exportgoldman: [

If the Beatles came to my house and sung me a song, that is a day I would remember for the rest of my life.

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#405746 17-Nov-2010 10:04

geekiegeek: How is this a game changer when every other band and label in the world is already doing digital distribution?

A game changer would be full lossless audio with full album art and video's thrown together in a package - i.e. what itunes LP should have been.

The beatles music both lossless and mp3 has been available via ilegal downloads from day one - the remasters were up on the pirate bay in flac the day they were released. True fans already have the beatles in digital format from downloading or ripping their own CD's.

Because it has the potential to change the industry - how the copyright holders see the market channel.

Yes, it was available via illegal downloads, and that's why the industry was not too keen on electronic distribution. The industry will not change their ways while people insist in downloading the pirate version. Convincing the boss to let the Beatles go electronic in a legal way is a great step forward.

geekiegeek: True fans already have the beatles in digital format from downloading or ripping their own CD's (sic).

Yes, but many of the Beatles tunes and albums are already climbing to the top of the charts, just hours after release, which tells me true fans are buying it and make this point moot.

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#405756 17-Nov-2010 10:11

freitasm:
geekiegeek: How is this a game changer when every other band and label in the world is already doing digital distribution?

A game changer would be full lossless audio with full album art and video's thrown together in a package - i.e. what itunes LP should have been.

The beatles music both lossless and mp3 has been available via ilegal downloads from day one - the remasters were up on the pirate bay in flac the day they were released. True fans already have the beatles in digital format from downloading or ripping their own CD's.

Because it has the potential to change the industry - how the copyright holders see the market channel.

Yes, it was available via illegal downloads, and that's why the industry was not too keen on electronic distribution. The industry will not change their ways while people insist in downloading the pirate version. Convincing the boss to let the Beatles go electronic in a legal way is a great step forward.

geekiegeek: True fans already have the beatles in digital format from downloading or ripping their own CD's (sic).

Yes, but many of the Beatles tunes and albums are already climbing to the top of the charts, just hours after release, which tells me true fans are buying it and make this point moot.

While on an academic level I agree that this is potentially game changing in terms of legal and copyright issues - from a consumer issue its very 'meh'. I think it should have been a 'one more thing' announcement on the back of a subscription service.

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#405776 17-Nov-2010 10:29

"Because it has the potential to change the industry - how the copyright holders see the market channel."

But 99% (i.e. everyone but the Beatles) of the industry had already moved to digital distribution. If the likes of Sony BMG etc were not doing digital then I would agree with you but that isnt the case.

If they had released as apple lossless then I would toatally agree as from what I have read one reason that apple cant do lossless is that the recording industry wants to keep CD as the only means to get lossless audio - with mp3 you pay almost the same as the CD price but you get a much inferior product.

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#405791 17-Nov-2010 10:40

judging by the iTunes charts, it's hardly earth shattering when you compare to the likes of other artists who manage to shoot up the charts with far less publicity.

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#405810 17-Nov-2010 11:10

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#405882 17-Nov-2010 13:28

Yesterday,
legal downloads... well there was no-way
Now it looks as though they're here to stay,
Oh, I can't believe in yesterday.

Suddenly,
I'm seeing cheques come in from royalties
There's no shadow hanging over me,
Oh, yesterday came suddenly.

Why it
Had to change was sooo, that you could pay
They said,
It'll give our case cred, so move along from yesterday.

Yesterday,
Ripping songs was such an easy way,
Now you'll have no place to hide away,
Oh, you can't believe in yesterday.

Why it
changed, you may not know, or cannot say
They said,
It'll get us out of the red, so don't long for yesterday.

Yesterday,
Ripping songs was such an easy way,
Now you'll have no place to hide away,
Oh, you can't believe in yesterday.

Mm-mm-mm-mm-mm-mm-mm.

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#405934 17-Nov-2010 15:14

That didn't take long... Not even 24 hours after the announcement, all 17 Beatles albums are in the Top 100 iTunes - that's 17% of the top.

Not bad for an old band, and probably a response to those who say "true fans would have ripped before"...

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#405936 17-Nov-2010 15:20

freitasm: That didn't take long... Not even 24 hours after the announcement, all 17 Beatles albums are in the Top 100 iTunes - that's 17% of the top.

Not bad for an old band, and probably a response to those who say "true fans would have ripped before"...

True fans WOULD have ripped before. But they also would have bought before on 45RPM, 33RPM, cassette, and CD, and will still buy again on iTunes. ;-)

When my patented brain implant device which beams music directly into your aural processing centre finally hits the market, they will buy again!

No, it will not support MP3.

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#405971 17-Nov-2010 16:16

freitasm: That didn't take long... Not even 24 hours after the announcement, all 17 Beatles albums are in the Top 100 iTunes - that's 17% of the top.

Not bad for an old band, and probably a response to those who say "true fans would have ripped before"...

Agree with that. Still amazing nevertheless.

However you have people like Taylor Swift topping the US charts within hours of release - and again for less publicity that did not demand a full main page book out on the Apple website.

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#406004 17-Nov-2010 18:01

Taylor Swift????

Is that some kind of Golf club??

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#406021 17-Nov-2010 18:39

gehenna:

But most consumers aren't the type of people that would post on Geekzone, or over analyse the delivery method of their media.

Which is exactly why consumers (the type that don't visit Geekzone) won't give a damn that The Beatles are on iTunes. Most probably wouldn't even realise that they weren't already on it.

A fair chunk wouldn't even have a computer and are accessing iTunes directly via their iDevice.

I think you misunderstand the regular consumer. There are only three 'iDevices' that can access iTunes without a computer, the iPhone, the iPad and the iPod touch. The kind of people that own those are not the kind of people who don't use iTunes on their computers. In fact, they HAVE to use iTunes on their computers to activate said iDevices and apply software updates. They *have* to be computer savvy, to a degree.

For a lot of people this is a huge deal, people like my father in law who is a Beatles fanatic, but also not a great user of computers. So he has all their catalogue on vinyl but not in a digital format.

Seriously? You're really, honestly telling me that your father-in-law with his vinyl collection and his mild technophobia has honestly been hanging out to buy The Beatles catalogue on iTunes? He wasn't interested in owning it on cassette or CD but he's been hanging out all these years to buy it in a digital format that he doesn't even understand? I don't believe you.

This is a legitimate way for him to get that music again in a format that he can use without needing to break out the turntable. Sure he could rip CD's, but again - not every consumer would do that or even know how to do it, or even know iTunes can do it for them.

If he's not the kind of consumer that knows how to rip a CD (and I find that a bit patronising... it's technology that's been around for about 15 years now) and not the kind of consumer that knows that iTunes can even do that, then I say to you again that he's not the kind of consumer that even knew that the Beatles wasn't available on iTunes until now, and he's not the type of consumer that gives that much of a damn about it.

So while this might not be the epic announcement that a Geekzone consumer might want, that's not to say it's not epic and memorable for the general consumer.

Again, I have to ask you are you honestly, seriously telling me that the average, everyday consumer that you are describing, who doesn't know how to rip CDs, is mildly technophobic and doesn't know that iTunes can import music from a CD will, for the rest of their days, remember November 18th 2010 as the day that The Beatles catalogue came out on iTunes? Behave! Do they remember the day they came out on tape? Or CD?

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