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#225921 11-Dec-2017 17:03
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https://www.trademe.co.nz/property/residential-property-for-sale/auction-1461234899.htm

$100,000 and falling (literally)

http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/news/10130365/A-year-of-living-dangerously


"A year ago [in 2013], in the early hours of June 1, the ground gave way beneath a quiet hillside street in the Wellington suburb of Kingston.

A 70-metre-long tranche of earth fell off the edge of Priscilla Cres and into the grounds of a Berhampore rest home below, taking entire backyards and hundreds of trees with it.

Woken by a roaring noise at 4.30am, residents sprinted from their homes to the street, some in their underwear, with nothing more than what they carried.

They saw gaping air where their lawns used to be, and water gushing from the face of the cliff left behind.

Luckily, no-one's house went with it, and no-one was hurt, but it was the start of a year of enormous hardship, especially for one family who found themselves, all at once, without insurance, grieving for their mother, and straining under a crippling burden of debt.

Some residents were out of their homes for a few weeks or months; others won't be going back at all."



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  #1916880 11-Dec-2017 18:10
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Drill some nice deep foundations, some steel poles and beams to support the original house. Then the owners can move back in and start receiving rent again. Then use the steel poles to construct more floors beneath the original house. Turn those floors into apartments. Get more rent. Problem solved.







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  #1916937 11-Dec-2017 18:57
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It's slow moving land.

Obviously losing 70 meters of land overnight is dramatic, by anyone's definition.

Many engineers have tried and failed with stabilizing other slow moving lands worldwide spectacularly, when you look at decade long timescales.

It's very unpredictable.

 
 
 
 


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  #1917315 12-Dec-2017 12:08
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Before buying a house on a cliff or very steep bank ask yourself  "how do cliffs form?"





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  #1917331 12-Dec-2017 12:33
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MikeAqua:

 

Before buying a house on a cliff or very steep bank ask yourself  "how do cliffs form?"

 

 

Some of them are just born that way I think:

 

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  #1917374 12-Dec-2017 12:50
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Aredwood: Drill some nice deep foundations, some steel poles and beams to support the original house. Then the owners can move back in and start receiving rent again. Then use the steel poles to construct more floors beneath the original house. Turn those floors into apartments. Get more rent. Problem solved.

 

Agreed.

 

There is that house that featured on the first series of Grand Designs NZ, which is literally built on the side on the rock face.


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  #1917425 12-Dec-2017 13:52
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Looks like they got an insurance pay-out for the house, and now selling the land.

 

     >Some of them are just born that way I think:<

 

Nah, he was born on the Webb wink

 

 




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  #1917470 12-Dec-2017 14:49
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WyleECoyoteNZ:

Aredwood: Drill some nice deep foundations, some steel poles and beams to support the original house. Then the owners can move back in and start receiving rent again. Then use the steel poles to construct more floors beneath the original house. Turn those floors into apartments. Get more rent. Problem solved.


Agreed.


There is that house that featured on the first series of Grand Designs NZ, which is literally built on the side on the rock face.



But there's a difference between a rock face and slowly moving mud.

I'm sure the owners would have rebuilt, if it was economical, given the lack of land in Wellington.

 
 
 
 


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  #1917474 12-Dec-2017 14:56
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WyleECoyoteNZ:

 

Aredwood: Drill some nice deep foundations, some steel poles and beams to support the original house. Then the owners can move back in and start receiving rent again. Then use the steel poles to construct more floors beneath the original house. Turn those floors into apartments. Get more rent. Problem solved.

 

Agreed.

 

There is that house that featured on the first series of Grand Designs NZ, which is literally built on the side on the rock face.

 

 

 

 

I understand it had to have big anchors to tie it to the hill, that went under the road. Building on a hill makes construction very expensive compared to building on the flat.Although you can get good views.


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  #1917486 12-Dec-2017 15:26
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Rickles:

 

Looks like they got an insurance pay-out for the house, and now selling the land.

 

     >Some of them are just born that way I think:<

 

Nah, he was born on the Webb wink 

 

The place wasn't insured.....

 

"Mr Bartlett didn't have insurance at the time and he says the stress of quitting his job to look after his late wife who had dementia caused him to forget to buy it. "

 

https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/wellington-man-embroiled-in-council-landslide-dispute-6038524

 

 




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  #1917784 13-Dec-2017 07:12
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Great video in that link.

Geez, things can go south in a hurry... Poor guy



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  #1917790 13-Dec-2017 07:29
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Horizontal / directional piles / drilling would be outrageously expensive

However there are several NZ companies that could do it. Usually reserved for commercial properties or civil projects.

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  #1917794 13-Dec-2017 07:57
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AFAIK it was a cut and fill subdivision. I know somebody with a house on the other side of the street and that is on cut with no fill. The at risk houses are likely to be not that far off secure ground. That doesn't mean that new foundations wouldn't be expensive. They'd probably have to be post Christchurch quake standard.

I'm surprised that the Council and their consultants can be so sure that the drains at the top of the slip did not contribute to the mudslide.

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  #1917823 13-Dec-2017 08:30
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Q: How many m2 is the section?

 

A: 750

 

Q: How many m2 is the section now?

 

A: 700

 

...

 

I'll pass.


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  #1917852 13-Dec-2017 09:22
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Wheelbarrow01:

 

MikeAqua:

 

Before buying a house on a cliff or very steep bank ask yourself  "how do cliffs form?"

 

 

Some of them are just born that way I think:

 

Click to see full size

 

 

Nice! Never drive through a sign featuring that man.  It may disguise an actual cliff.





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  #1931725 7-Jan-2018 13:53
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Looks like the owner got a break, which is good.

Poor guy had no insurance.

"The property is currently under contract, conditional until 19 January 2018 with a back up offer also in place."

It'll be interesting to see if they try to use a house mover, which seem unlikely given it's poor state and height, or demolish it.

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