2019 Novel Coronavirus Covid-19 Discussion

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#2662981 26-Feb-2021 09:16

Tinkerisk:

That's true. But do you really think it's over when you only are vaccinated? The virus wants to 'survive' and will mutate with even higher speeds. With the vaccination we're not done by far.

I think we are saying the same thing. It will never be over completely for the forseeable future.

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#2663001 26-Feb-2021 09:48

Tinkerisk:

That's true. But do you really think it's over when you only are vaccinated? The virus wants to 'survive' and will mutate with even higher speeds. With the vaccination we're not done by far.

The virus doesn't want anything. It is a length of RNA that invades cells and hijacks the cell's machinery. The existence of a vaccine will not accelerate the rate of mutations. Viruses have a known mutation rate.

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#2663017 26-Feb-2021 10:03

freitasm:

I said it before. We don't need imported covidiots. Send Lucinda Baulch back to Australia.

Articles have said after leaving MIQ she went to Auckland, well OZ just hotspotted Auckland so she's in for more quarantine and testing when she gets back to OZ...

If she had just accepted the test and left MIQ in 14 days, she would have been able to get home while NZ was still green zoned....

Oh well, maybe Karma is appropriately allocated by the universe...

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#2663050 26-Feb-2021 10:38

blackjack17:

The virus doesn't want anything. It is a length of RNA that invades cells and hijacks the cell's machinery. The existence of a vaccine will not accelerate the rate of mutations. Viruses have a known mutation rate.

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#2663093 26-Feb-2021 12:02

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#2663103 26-Feb-2021 12:40

wellygary:

freitasm:

I said it before. We don't need imported covidiots. Send Lucinda Baulch back to Australia.

Articles have said after leaving MIQ she went to Auckland, well OZ just hotspotted Auckland so she's in for more quarantine and testing when she gets back to OZ...

If she had just accepted the test and left MIQ in 14 days, she would have been able to get home while NZ was still green zoned....

Oh well, maybe Karma is appropriately allocated by the universe...

I am not sure this is the case.

The problem I see is people like her going around the country - likely without mask, scanning, Bluetooth and then leaving NZ. No way to trace those idiots if something happens.

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#2663111 26-Feb-2021 13:13

Tinkerisk:

The virus wants to 'survive' and will mutate with even higher speeds.

I disagree. The virus's rate of mutation will not increase if it's population is dwindling. In fact, it will be the opposite... the less viruses there are out in the wild, the less mutations that will happen. Any mutation will become a more significant percentage of the virus population more quickly, but it'll be a big fish in a small pond.

And the typical progress of a disease is that it will become less dangerous to the host and more easily transmissible. This is the path to survival for a virus.

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#2663148 26-Feb-2021 14:59

frankv:

Tinkerisk:

The virus wants to 'survive' and will mutate with even higher speeds.

I disagree. The virus's rate of mutation will not increase if it's population is dwindling. In fact, it will be the opposite... the less viruses there are out in the wild, the less mutations that will happen. Any mutation will become a more significant percentage of the virus population more quickly, but it'll be a big fish in a small pond.

And the typical progress of a disease is that it will become less dangerous to the host and more easily transmissible. This is the path to survival for a virus.

When spreaded fast as this pandemic does, chances are higher to evolve an other mutation (less or even more effective variants). This is not a faster rate for a single event but a faster rate in total.

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#2663149 26-Feb-2021 15:00

Press release:

There are 2 new cases of COVID-19 in managed isolation and one new community case, a person linked to the Auckland February cases and who has been in quarantine from Tuesday 23 February to report today.

The latest community case (Case L) is a household contact of cases I, J and K.

This person was tested on arrival into quarantine and returned a negative result. This individual then developed symptoms and returned a positive test. As the person was possibly infectious for up to 48 hours prior to developing symptoms, Case L’s workplace is being treated as a location of interest.

Case L worked at KFC Botany Downs between Monday 22 February 3.30pm and 12.30am on Tuesday 23 February.

There are 3 categories of contacts related to the KFC exposure event. All contacts should call Healthline.

KFC staff - there are 11 close plus contacts who worked at the same time as Case L. These people will be tested and required to isolate for 14 days along with their household contacts.

Members of the public who entered the store between 3.30pm Monday 22 February and 12.30am on Tuesday 23 February are close contacts and should isolate at home for the remainder of the 14 day period (until 8 March), and be tested on day 5 (tomorrow) and day 12.

Members of the public who went through the KFC drive through between 3.30pm Monday 22 February and 12.30am on Tuesday 23 February are casual plus contacts and should isolate at home until a negative day 5 test result is returned. For these contacts day 5 is tomorrow so they should get tested tomorrow and remain isolated until they get their test result.

We are asking anyone affected by this latest KFC exposure event to get tested tomorrow not today to limit waiting times at testing centres. All contacts should call Healthline.

Detailed advice about the actions required for the different categories of contacts is provided on the Ministry of Health website.

Case A had 31 close contacts at the school, one of these tested positive (Case D). All others have tested negative for COVID-19.

All the remaining students and staff at the school have been designated as Casual Plus contacts of Case A.

There have been 1,537 casual plus contacts.

As at 8am this morning, excluding the three positive cases (Case E, I and J), 1,520 have returned at least one negative test result since 15 February.

All casual plus contacts have been undergoing a follow-up test on or after 22 February. So far, all results from the additional testing have been negative.

We continue to work closely with the school to ensure all staff and students are tested. Where necessary, this includes visits to students homes to make sure people are getting the support they need to access testing and remain isolated.

A total 32 staff members have been identified as close plus contacts. This number has increased from that previously reported after further investigation on their contact with the case. All these people have been contacted and are self isolating.

We currently have 24 negative test results from this group; testing of others is being done at the appropriate time.

We have also been contacted by 1,742 people who reported being at the store at the times of interest. They have been provided with public health advice. These people have been asked to isolate for 14 days and be tested at day 5 and day 12 after their exposure to the case. We currently have 1,073 negative test results for this group.

Anyone who has visited the store at the times of interest is advised to contact Healthline.

Those that have received a text with their initial COVID test result should continue to follow the advice above.

Once again we would like to thank all contacts and their households for isolating and being tested as required to keep their community safe.

We know there’s interest in several big events in Auckland this weekend.

Auckland remains in Alert Level 1 which means that public events and activities can continue this weekend.

As always, if you are going to an event, scan using the COVID Tracer app, sanitise and if you are unwell, please stay home.

If you were at the locations of interest at the times stated, please follow the advice relevant to the contact category announced for each exposure event.

If you have symptoms but have not been to a location of interest stay home and call Healthline for advice.

An additional testing centre is being set up in East Auckland tomorrow. For up-to-date information on testing locations in Auckland, visit https://www.arphs.health.nz/ and all testing locations nationwide, visit the Healthpoint website.

One previously reported case has now recovered. The total number of active cases in New Zealand is 67. Our total number of confirmed cases is 2,015.

NZ COVID Tracer now has 2,683,760 registered users. This is an increase of more than 118,000 users in the last fortnight.

Poster scans have reached 196,532,281 and users have created 7,866,685 manual diary entries. Scans in the last 24 hours 1,390,849.

It’s critical to keep track of where you’ve been and the COVID Tracer app is an easy way to do this. Please continue to scan QR codes wherever you go and turn on Bluetooth tracing in the app dashboard if you haven’t already done so.

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#2663152 26-Feb-2021 15:03

kingdragonfly: I expected Ultra-Orthodox Jews will cause trouble in Israel, as they have in New York.

We could learn some lesson for how to deal with the stubborn, and you don't get more stubborn than Ultra-Orthodox of any denomination.

AP New : Israel’s ultra-Orthodox reject criticism, defy virus rules

In Jerusalem ..., ultra-Orthodox Jews have defied coronavirus restrictions by holding big funerals for beloved rabbis who died of COVID-19, celebrating large weddings, and continuing to send their children to schools. The gatherings have led to clashes with police and an unprecedented wave of public anger toward the religious community.

On Tuesday night, hundreds of ultra-Orthodox demonstrators protested lockdown restrictions, set dumpsters on fire, and faced off with police officers in Jerusalem.

...The ultra-Orthodox community makes up about 12% of Israel’s 9.3 million people. Gilad Malach, a researcher at the Israel Democracy Institute, says ultra-Orthodox believers accounted for over a third of the country’s COVID-19 cases in 2020. Among Israelis over 65, the community’s mortality rate was three times that of the general population, he added.

Health Ministry data show vaccination rates in ultra-Orthodox areas lag far behind the national average.

But the ultra-Orthodox community has wielded outsize influence, using its kingmaker status in parliament to secure benefits and generous government subsidies.
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Do they not believe in the virus or think its part of god's plan? Population control through natural selection.....

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#2663164 26-Feb-2021 15:41

Zeon:

Do they not believe in the virus or think its part of god's plan? Population control through natural selection.....

I think it's just regular anti-vaxxer CT, *coincidentally rife amongst that group, This from the USA:

“It’s a form of avodah zora [idol worship] to believe in this anti-vaccine myth that all the doctors have this hidden agenda and we’re getting payoffs,” said Rabbi Aaron Glatt, chief of infectious diseases at South Nassau Communities Hospital and a spokesperson for the Infectious Disease Society of America. “It’s almost its own religion.”

Glatt said that for Orthodox Jews’ to use the religious exemption for vaccinations constituted sheker, or fraudulent behavior outlawed by Jewish law. In a column published by Yeshiva World News, Rabbi Yair Hoffman, an expert in Jewish law, listed the possible commandments that anti-vaccine Jews were violating: saving another’s life; “not standing idly by” the blood of your neighbor; treating your neighbor as yourself.

What I highlighted is possibly at the root of the problem. Allowing religious exemption from any laws applying to everybody else is dumb and asking for trouble, including in NZ.

*disclosure - I'm an atheist, but I'll give the benefit of the doubt here, that belief in sky fairies and belief in all kinds of other myths may be coincidental in this case.

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#2663204 26-Feb-2021 16:47

freitasm:

Press release:

if the people would isolate when they were told we wouldnt need press releases and this is even worse because they went to work after the outcry over the last stuff up. It just shows you can have all the safeguards in place but if people dont want to follow them there is not much the Govt can do.

Common sense is not as common as you think.

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#2663205 26-Feb-2021 16:55

vexxxboy:
freitasm:

Press release:

if the people would isolate when they were told we wouldnt need press releases and this is even worse because they went to work after the outcry over the last stuff up. It just shows you can have all the safeguards in place but if people dont want to follow them there is not much the Govt can do.

I'm a bit confused re isolate instructions from moh... Didn't someone say they were called by moh to override earlier isolate instructions.

Can we be sure this is not one of those situations vs person did break isolation instructions. Though I feel it is the latter we just cannot be 100% sure that's the case...

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#2663206 26-Feb-2021 16:58

Fred99:

I think it's just regular anti-vaxxer CT, *coincidentally rife amongst that group, This from the USA:

“It’s a form of avodah zora [idol worship] to believe in this anti-vaccine myth that all the doctors have this hidden agenda and we’re getting payoffs,” said Rabbi Aaron Glatt, chief of infectious diseases at South Nassau Communities Hospital and a spokesperson for the Infectious Disease Society of America. “It’s almost its own religion.”

Glatt said that for Orthodox Jews’ to use the religious exemption for vaccinations constituted sheker, or fraudulent behavior outlawed by Jewish law. In a column published by Yeshiva World News, Rabbi Yair Hoffman, an expert in Jewish law, listed the possible commandments that anti-vaccine Jews were violating: saving another’s life; “not standing idly by” the blood of your neighbor; treating your neighbor as yourself.

What I highlighted is possibly at the root of the problem. Allowing religious exemption from any laws applying to everybody else is dumb and asking for trouble, including in NZ.

*disclosure - I'm an atheist, but I'll give the benefit of the doubt here, that belief in sky fairies and belief in all kinds of other myths may be coincidental in this case.

I thought most antivaxxers/naturalists are non religious ... But that's just my impression from their posts on the Internet.

But that's pre covid. Since covid all bets are off. What people believe now seems to be what they get sent on social media.

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#2663211 26-Feb-2021 17:31

Batman:

I'm a bit confused re isolate instructions from moh... Didn't someone say they were called by moh to override earlier isolate instructions.

Can we be sure this is not one of those situations vs person did break isolation instructions. Though I feel it is the latter we just cannot be 100% sure that's the case...

The PM has come out to say she is frustrated people are not listening to the MOH instructions, so im guessing they did break isolation instructions,

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