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#2784670 26-Sep-2021 20:33

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Technofreak:

Are we likely to see some sort of localised lockdown in Auckland?

I say this for two reasons. This tail is going to drag on and on as it appears that some areas are not playing the game and two it seams to be crazy keeping the whole of Auckland locked down when Covid is fairly well confined to some areas.

I know there are logistical issues with managing a local lock down but I pretty sure they did it in Melbourne.

your guess is as good as mine

options include

- compulsory testing before doing certain things

- restrict movement if not vaccinated

- lockdown

- ? other

i think they would consider these esp if cases go up the urgency might go up

There's a good article in the Herald by Sir Ian Taylor. It's behind their paywall. He talks about some innovative tech and ideas that have been developed here in New Zealand to combat Covid. Things like a company that can retrofit air con systems so that 99.9% of pathogens in the room are killed. Another company has a portable Covid testing device that can give a result in 25 minutes.

Some private companies are using the Covid testing device to test their staff on a daily basis but as yet the government agencies haven't adopted their use. He's suggesting ways of using this tech and other isolation protocols to allow those that need to travel overseas to be be able to come and go without having to go through MIQ.

Some of this tech could or should be used more widely within the country to allow us to open up to a greater extent without increasing the risk of spreading Covid.

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#2784671 26-Sep-2021 20:35

sbiddle:

Batman:

watching the news -

John Key says take away the freedom of the unvaccinated because they are holding the rest hostage

It's worth noting that last month the PM was strongly against restrictions for the unvaccinated. Yesterday she come saying she's now in favour of these and said said they're likely to happen here.

And that's fine. It shows she will change as needed based on different inputs.

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#2784672 26-Sep-2021 20:36

sbiddle:

Yes it is worth noting in light of it being something John Key called for (hence the original quote) - so many people were quick to jump on the bandwagon today and trash everything he said, yet some of the things he said were very much aligned with our current govt strategy.

After 18+ months of hindsight. What were his guidelines 18 months ago?

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#2784673 26-Sep-2021 20:37

Technofreak:

I know there are logistical issues with managing a local lock down but I pretty sure they did it in Melbourne.

It didn't work well there and worked even less in Sydney.

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#2784678 26-Sep-2021 20:50

freitasm:

Technofreak:

I know there are logistical issues with managing a local lock down but I pretty sure they did it in Melbourne.

It didn't work well there and worked even less in Sydney.

To be fair none of the Sydeny or Melbourne lockdowns have worked as well as ours. They were either not as strict or not as well observed. When driving across town to buy a headlamp for your car is considered essential, that sort of puts things into perspective.

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#2784680 26-Sep-2021 20:53

Technofreak: Some private companies are using the Covid testing device to test their staff on a daily basis but as yet the government agencies haven't adopted their use.

I had not heard of that. Searched around. Is it this one? This is incredible..

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/covid-19-nz-made-breath-test-may-pick-up-virus-within-minutes/WAPHZHXOR4QSWU7CMPH36MGIHM/

You mentioned a 25 minute test time. The article above states five minutes. Developed by a bunch of NZ institutes, so I actually believe it.

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#2784681 26-Sep-2021 20:53

tdgeek:

You have a wee one (and congrats on that) I think you had concerns over contact with support people. Not sure if you meant that for your family or in general. How would living with the pandemic work for you? If you and your partner are vaccinated, lets go to level 0?

No, and I'll ask you not to put words in my mouth that imply I think everything should open up once I've personally been double-vaxxed, considering nothing I have ever said in this thread could be construed in that way.

Given I have a child that cannot be vaccinated, I'd much rather see a large enough % of the population vaccinated so that Covid can't get an endemic foothold in here for my child's sake. I'm also relieved to still have a job. But I wouldn't dream of projecting my personal situation or my fortunate work position across the entire population and assume they have as secure employment as I do, just so I can pretend that a hard lockdown has no adverse consequences and dismiss people who are anxious about being in a tight spot.

It's better than having rampant Covid, sure, but that's cold comfort when you have massive mortgage payments due and you get made redundant at a moment's notice. Just because it's not my current reality doesn't mean it doesn't happen to people.

Also, the 'live with the virus' phrase needs to stop. Auckland is living with the virus and the effects of it in lockdown. That's living with the virus. We don't have the luxury of pretending we don't live with the virus because life isn't normal at the moment and we are acutely aware of it. The fact it isn't as bad as it has been overseas is good, but it doesn't make it any easier to deal with the problems it causes us in the here and now.

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#2784685 26-Sep-2021 21:12

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Technofreak: Some private companies are using the Covid testing device to test their staff on a daily basis but as yet the government agencies haven't adopted their use.

I had not heard of that. Searched around. Is it this one? This is incredible..

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/covid-19-nz-made-breath-test-may-pick-up-virus-within-minutes/WAPHZHXOR4QSWU7CMPH36MGIHM/

You mentioned a 25 minute test time. The article above states five minutes. Developed by a bunch of NZ institutes, so I actually believe it.

This is the article I was referring to. https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/sir-ian-taylor-miq-as-big-a-threat-to-business-as-covid-19-heres-the-unique-way-to-solve-the-problem-prime-minister/FN423G4FFLYHOY2SGW3OJYJBJM/

However I'm guessing Sir Ian's sentiments were around using all of that style of tech like your link went to, to get us to a position we can more or less operate normally with Covid

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#2784691 26-Sep-2021 21:26

tdgeek:

Agree. But you cannot make people test. These people have been told. They aren't testing. And some are intermingling. The pity is most of Auckland is doing the right thing but too many arent. But unlike AUS, we wont criticise that, but we need too.

Like today on the coffee run, only person lounging around without a mask also had an ankle bracelet, and wearing the colours of some gang or the other - sigh

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#2784699 26-Sep-2021 21:54

Technofreak:
tdgeek:

Agree. But you cannot make people test. These people have been told. They aren't testing. And some are intermingling. The pity is most of Auckland is doing the right thing but too many arent. But unlike AUS, we wont criticise that, but we need too.

Are we likely to see some sort of localised lockdown in Auckland?

I say this for two reasons. This tail is going to drag on and on as it appears that some areas are not playing the game and two it seams to be crazy keeping the whole of Auckland locked down when Covid is fairly well confined to some areas.

I know there are logistical issues with managing a local lock down but I pretty sure they did it in Melbourne.

I can't see how Auckland can drop down to level 2 without something happening. Likewise the rest of NZ dropping down to level 1.

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#2784706 26-Sep-2021 23:27

Auckland is likely to drop to 2.5 because of politics.

They will mention vaccine rates are higher and we have good contact tracing.

I honestly can't see daily numbers dropping to zero. It's all about buying time as more people get the jab.

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#2784709 27-Sep-2021 00:28

In your view, will 2.5 be likely to allow freedom of movement out of Auckland?

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#2784710 27-Sep-2021 01:12

Technofreak:

tdgeek:

Agree. But you cannot make people test. These people have been told. They aren't testing. And some are intermingling. The pity is most of Auckland is doing the right thing but too many arent. But unlike AUS, we wont criticise that, but we need too.

Are we likely to see some sort of localised lockdown in Auckland?

I say this for two reasons. This tail is going to drag on and on as it appears that some areas are not playing the game and two it seams to be crazy keeping the whole of Auckland locked down when Covid is fairly well confined to some areas.

I know there are logistical issues with managing a local lock down but I pretty sure they did it in Melbourne.

One of the strengths of the NZ approach to Covid has been a reasonably unified approach where we are all in this together, team of 5 millions, rich and poor neighbourhoods alike - or as much as reasonably possible.

I'm curious to see what this localised lockdown would look like. Perhaps we might be targeting Mission Bay and nearby areas where everyone seems to be out on the beach and Tamaki Drive footpaths, not social distancing and in many cases not masking, despite recent locations of interest in neighbouring Parnell. Or maybe people are thinking about a different locality to be in lockdown?

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#2784713 27-Sep-2021 05:17

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heavenlywild: I think Ardern rolling out Hendy was a mistake and people are sick and tired of the same old fearmongering.

That was a huge PR mistake. Then you have Sir John Key coming in with some pragmatism which makes last Thursday's "stunt" look even worse.

If you're referring to the economist who works as a consultant to foreign banks and somehow managed to get his opinion published as a front page hit piece on Hendy, a highly qualified and awarded expert in his field, then I think you're dreaming.

Hendys model doesn't seem to match the empirical evidence. This twitter thread, which was retweeted by Ayesha Verrall, compares the Doherty modelling, Hendys models and what is being seen in Denmark. It's worth a read.

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#2784717 27-Sep-2021 07:09

alexx:

I'm curious to see what this localised lockdown would look like. Perhaps we might be targeting Mission Bay and nearby areas where everyone seems to be out on the beach and Tamaki Drive footpaths, not social distancing and in many cases not masking, despite recent locations of interest in neighbouring Parnell. Or maybe people are thinking about a different locality to be in lockdown?

I can tell you that anyone who thinks Covid is a South Auckland problem is flogging themselves, and it's 99% either not understanding Auckland or, without strining bows, it's a racism thing. When they say 'South Auckland' they really mean 'people of a certain ethnic persuasion'.

Anyone who has lived in the area around Tamaki Drive knows that most of the people you see there don't live locally (the fact the beaches are so accessible is what makes them so great) - that's why those pictures are so disheartening. Those people will have come from all over Auckland. Worth noting cops have been turning people away on Tamaki Drive with checkpoints at L4.

Also good luck locking down South Auckland. Our biggest supermarket DCs are there and so are a lot of freight businesses and other essential businesses. There's always going to be a certain amount of movement, and most of what you find on top of that is the same level at which you'll be find it in any other suburbs. However when people in other parts of Auckland do it, it's called 'driveway drinks'.

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