You can print a hard copy if you don't have a phone.

mulac: Based on the information I have, it seems far too open for fraud in my opinion. Unfortunately, I don’t know any easy way to prevent that, and I’m happy to be corrected.

Firstly, there is no proof of identity verification at the vaccination stage. Anecdotal, but I would guess that there are many desperate people who would take a small amount of money and get an additional vaccination on behalf of a fraudster.

Secondly, it sounds like you can print off a QR code. Does anybody know if there is a photo linked to your account? If the scanner doesn’t have the ability to match the user to the QR code, there’s nothing stopping one from borrowing another’s QR code. Of course they could implement checks like ‘impossible-travel’ (where a scan can’t take place in Auckland, then 30min later in Wellington), but this would only reduce sharing, not stop it entirely.

I’m saying that, this should still incentivise those that are on the fence to get the vaccine as it’s much simpler to do so than commit fraud, so it’s a step in the right direction.

It doesn't matter if individuals commit fraud. The vast majority of people will do the right thing and it is still far easier to get a vaccination than cheat the system.

There will always be a number of unvaccinated people in every population, a few unvaccinated masquerading as vaccinated aren't going to make a material difference. 

They did say they are developing a scanning app which will check that the QR code is not fraudulent.

mulac: Based on the information I have, it seems far too open for fraud in my opinion. Unfortunately, I don’t know any easy way to prevent that, and I’m happy to be corrected.

Short of introducing a National Photo ID card you pretty much run into this with any document in NZ

The PM glossed over how it would be authenticated, but did indicate the QR code would include your name, so it may be possible for venues to also  ask for some form of photo id to match to your name...

But there will be lots of uncertainty  until they work out the  rules about who is allowed to ask to see your "passport" and who is not..

Buster:

 

They did say they are developing a scanning app which will check that the QR code is not fraudulent.

 

And that is a function able to be used today. *looks at ID card with verifying QR code*.

In my ones current form, it is a basic hash check. That is flagged as current/invalid in the background. If I am deemed to be revoked etc. It won't come back as valid. 

wellygary:

alasta:

Ah, so you just download a PDF and save it on your phone for offline access?

I wonder how many old/cheap phones have the ability to save a PDF file like that?

 

Apparently you need to Android 7 or above to access the site on a mobile, 

But you can download it to another  PC etc, and mail it to your phone or transfer it another way..

Trying to sign up to the beta "My Health Account" site and it isn't sending through any verification codes by e-mail (mine is an outlook.co.nz one)

alasta:

 

wellygary:

 

alasta:

 

If I understood this afternoon's press conference correctly, it sounds like the mobile friendly web site will be rolled out in November with an app to follow early next year. This would imply that, at least in the early stages, users will need access to mobile data in order to log in and bring up their vaccine certificate.

 

 

 

You only need to go online to get it once, (which you can do at home),

 

You can download the certificate (QR code) to your phone... boom job done no need to go online to get it at any location 

 

 

 

Ah, so you just download a PDF and save it on your phone for offline access?

 

I wonder how many old/cheap phones have the ability to save a PDF file like that?

 

I would think that a lot of the events where it will be mandated, most of the ticketing will be mobile orientated anyway - if you  can't bring up your entry ticket, then you are kinda screwed anyway :)

Print out your ticket at home - print out your C19 vaxxed cert at the same time :)

Clint

Geektastic:

Tattoo? We'll all look like Agent 47 with codes tattooed on our bodies.

If they demand it's tattooed on your forehead I'm out.

Buster:

Geektastic:

Tattoo? We'll all look like Agent 47 with codes tattooed on our bodies.

If they demand it's tattooed on your forehead I'm out.

Any unvaccinated person attending a mass event will be at significant risk of being infected by an infected but asymptomatic vaccinated person. I have little sympathy for them. My only concerns are for any of their loved ones who might be unvaccinatable, and the health care resources they'll require.

Batman: Better is relative.

Replace better with cheaper.

Say product A is definitely 100% confirmed statistically significantly cheaper than B.

All studies confirm it.

Ok so product A $ 11.59 product B &$11.56

So when people say better, I want to know exactly how many percent reduction in death, Hospitalizations etc. Need to use a matrix that is useful in real life, not necessarily those 2 things, could be cost, could be anything useful in reality

You're probably not going to find the exact answer for every scenario, however this seems reasonably convincing.

Delaying second Pfizer vaccines to 12 weeks significantly increases antibody responses in older people, finds study:
https://www.birmingham.ac.uk/news/latest/2021/05/covid-pfizer-vaccination-interval-antibody-response.aspx

Antibody response in people aged over 80 is three-and-a-half times greater in those who have the second dose of the Pfizer COVID-19 vaccine after 12 weeks compared to those who have it at a three-week interval.

Perhaps the advantages are not the same for every age and every variant and no one knows what variants we will face in 2022. But the improved antibody responses appear to be more than just a few percentage points.

Covid vaccine: Eight-week gap seen as sweet spot for Pfizer jab antibodies
https://www.bbc.com/news/health-57929953

The findings suggest:

• both short and long dosing intervals of the Pfizer vaccine generated strong immune responses overall
• a three-week schedule generated fewer of the neutralising antibodies that can bind the virus and stop it infecting cells than a 10-week interval
• while antibody levels dipped after the first dose, levels of T-cells - a different type of immune cell - remained high
• the longer schedule led to fewer T-cells overall but a higher proportion of a specific type or subset, called helper T-cells, which according to the researchers, supports immune memory

It depends on where you live and whether you think that this is the most dangerous time for you and the people around you. Perhaps we will all be vaccinated and be safe by the end of the year, or perhaps we will find that despite that availability of vaccines, the cases will rise like they have elsewhere and the longer gap will protect you better next year.

Batman: Most important thing is can it be frauded/is it fraud proof

Probably no. But what is the instance of rugby/tennis/beer spectators ripping it off?

Time to be realistic and give up the sensational posts. I thought this was a serious Covid thread

And its not the most important, the most important thing is WE comply

Is it time we had a -1 on Geekzone?