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#2274572 11-Jul-2019 12:03

Posted latest Stuff article called "Let's not be fundamentalist about feebates and EV ownership" here

https://www.geekzone.co.nz/forums.asp?forumId=184&topicId=251746

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#2277130 15-Jul-2019 16:23

Gotta love Stuff helping Mazda to spin their investment to sound worthwhile!

Mazda claims that if you compare a SkyActiv-X car with an EV, the petrol model generates 142g/km, compared with 200g for the EV if it's powered by coal-fired electricity.

That why the company has sunk so much time and money into developing a completely new type of petrol engine.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/motoring/road-tests/114161671/now-the-mazda3-hatch-has-worldfirst-engine-technology

Of course, Stuff never mentions that this isn't relevant in NZ due to NZ having generating 85% of its power from renewables vs only 5% generated by coal (on the very rare occasions that it's operating at max capacity). They also don't point out that less than 6 countries actually generate nearly 100% of their power from coal to make this claim valid. They don't mention that most countries are reducing their coal usage due to it no longer being economical anymore. Instead, they've let Mazda get away with their spin to justify why they're not investing in EV technology like most other companies.

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#2277192 15-Jul-2019 17:06

Also, 142g/km is 37g/km more than the proposed government fleet target of 105.

EDIT: oops, not /100km...

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#2277817 16-Jul-2019 16:41

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/2019/06/20/britain-generating-electricity-zero-carbon-fossil-fuels-first/

Britain generating more electricity from zero carbon than fossil fuels for first time since industrial revolution

In what was described as an historic milestone, and a watershed moment, the amount of electricity coming from wind, solar, nuclear and hydro power overtook coal and gas by more than one percentage point at the end of May.

Coal and gas now generates 46.7 per cent of Britain’s power network, but zero carbon has pushed ahead to 47.9 per cent.

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#2277831 16-Jul-2019 17:16

Harley-Davidson LiveWire Sneak Peak before Launch

Matt Laidlaw

"The First Electric Motorcycle from a major manufacturer, Harley-Davidson LiveWire. Laidlaw's Harley-Davidson got the bike for a couple days before it's upcoming launch in August. Get all the latest details on this high-performance electric motorcycle. Matt Laidlaw and Nick Culver of Laidlaw's H-D get some detailed shots of the bike."

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#2277835 16-Jul-2019 17:29

Four years ago

Harley-Davidson Project LiveWire

Jay Leno's Garage

Drives it at 13 minute mark

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#2277886 16-Jul-2019 18:47

kingdragonfly: Harley-Davidson LiveWire Sneak Peak before Launch

Matt Laidlaw

"The First Electric Motorcycle from a major manufacturer, Harley-Davidson LiveWire. Laidlaw's Harley-Davidson got the bike for a couple days before it's upcoming launch in August. Get all the latest details on this high-performance electric motorcycle. Matt Laidlaw and Nick Culver of Laidlaw's H-D get some detailed shots of the bike."

But how will anyone ever know you have a large penis if your Harley-Davidson can't be heard over a nearby thermonuclear detonation?

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#2277898 16-Jul-2019 19:00

SaltyNZ:

kingdragonfly: Harley-Davidson LiveWire Sneak Peak before Launch

Matt Laidlaw

"The First Electric Motorcycle from a major manufacturer, Harley-Davidson LiveWire. Laidlaw's Harley-Davidson got the bike for a couple days before it's upcoming launch in August. Get all the latest details on this high-performance electric motorcycle. Matt Laidlaw and Nick Culver of Laidlaw's H-D get some detailed shots of the bike."

But how will anyone ever know you have a large penis if your Harley-Davidson can't be heard over a nearby thermonuclear detonation?

I have a bike, ok, its only 92HP but it has more HP than my mates 1200cc Harley! Which he had to get silenced on his last WOF

Harleys are useless. No HP, all noise and hype.

Its hard to know where electric bikes will go. Sad that the Govt decrees them to be nothing. EV subsidy wise

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#2277917 16-Jul-2019 19:45

tdgeek:
Its hard to know where electric bikes will go. Sad that the Govt decrees them to be nothing. EV subsidy wise

Quite frankly the whole clean car proposal was a giant let down. Major, MAJOR holes in it that you could see through with about 2 minutes of skim reading. I was very disappointed. And I made sure to fill out the survey to say so.

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#2277940 16-Jul-2019 20:50

Obraik:

I'm not sure the legislators care (although I'll admit I don't know how Germany works) but I'm sure the investors/shareholders certainly would like to know what they were thinking.

Just on this, there have been some articles recently that the German govt is disappointed that the German auto makers are not building battery factories within Germany to power their cars, as I think they were planning on the economies of scale flowing through to other battery uses like grid storage.

Also Mini-related: Mini is bringing the Rocketman into production as an EV:

https://jalopnik.com/the-wonderful-mini-rocketman-concept-will-actually-beco-1836243520

THIS actually looks the business. It's the mini-Mini I always wanted.

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#2278038 17-Jul-2019 07:37

SaltyNZ:
tdgeek:

Its hard to know where electric bikes will go. Sad that the Govt decrees them to be nothing. EV subsidy wise

Quite frankly the whole clean car proposal was a giant let down. Major, MAJOR holes in it that you could see through with about 2 minutes of skim reading. I was very disappointed. And I made sure to fill out the survey to say so.

Its not meant to be much. it just needs to sound like it is, its politics not climate change. Some matters need clarifying. Other countries have this scheme so it must be great, but only Norway who used their FF to push it, and China who use their money and size to create their own EV's and buses have made any impact

The fact is its just to satisfy the masses that big changes are happening by the wondrous Labour and Green Party. It won't have much effect at all. How many of the 3.8M light vehicles will change? Sweet FA. But it sounds good

There is no effect to make people drop the ICE, as the tax is low compared to the price. Little effect to buy an EV as the price is too high post discount

They should allow this on personal imports, although I imagine thats a low number?

Allow it on motorcycles

While they are ending RUC exemption, which is good, they haven't advised how RUC will be managed, so that Hybrids pay per km less FF usage. You cant have EV paying more than hybrids

I'd prefer a subsidised public transport system thats designed so I will want to use it as its convenient and its economical. As for supporting EV's there is little point until they are here in volume, then its worth tinkering with discounts on EV's and Hybrids

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#2278050 17-Jul-2019 08:19

This is what we need

https://www.stuff.co.nz/motoring/113716506/out-of-china-the-next-big-thing-in-new-cars

In 2023 China will have annual EV production that can replace our whole fleet in one year. On the realistic side, an EV for almost every use case, and probably free of R+D artificial prices, prices that make an EV too expensive to run

Yes, the issue is quality and safety ratings but read the article, that's improving As cars become less "cool" as they morph to electric, they will be just a mode of transport, so any one will do as long as its the right size for each buyer

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#2278052 17-Jul-2019 08:24

And they can produce one million EV's per year? Crazy stuff. Thats climate change action

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#2278123 17-Jul-2019 09:21

GV27:

Obraik:

I'm not sure the legislators care (although I'll admit I don't know how Germany works) but I'm sure the investors/shareholders certainly would like to know what they were thinking.

Just on this, there have been some articles recently that the German govt is disappointed that the German auto makers are not building battery factories within Germany to power their cars, as I think they were planning on the economies of scale flowing through to other battery uses like grid storage.

Also Mini-related: Mini is bringing the Rocketman into production as an EV:

https://jalopnik.com/the-wonderful-mini-rocketman-concept-will-actually-beco-1836243520

THIS actually looks the business. It's the mini-Mini I always wanted.

Yeah, that's actually an interesting EV Mini. They should scrap the other one and focus on this instead!

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#2278263 17-Jul-2019 13:01

The VW I.D 3 has made it to NZ already. It's been spotted in Queenstown:

https://insideevs.com/news/360148/vw-id3-spy-new-zealand/

They might have been doing some winter testing here, like Tesla did with the Model 3 a few years ago before it went into production.

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