K8Toledo:

 

...a rolling stop at a stop sign is lawful.

Mehrts:

 

K8Toledo:

 

...a rolling stop at a stop sign is lawful.

But then that's not a stop?

 

As far as the DoT (Department of Transportation) are concerned, it is.

Fwiw rolling stops are something like 5-10km/h - if one were to speed through a stop sign as if it were a Yield (Give Way) - expect a ticket.

doesnt matter isnt applicable here. thats what a give way is for

Jase2985:

 

doesnt matter isnt applicable here. thats what a give way is for

 

I think you'll find it is applicable here and why the reference to complete stop in the rode code was removed.

K8Toledo:

 

I think you'll find it is applicable here and why the reference to complete stop in the rode code was removed.

 

evidence please

Jase2985:

 

K8Toledo:

 

I think you'll find it is applicable here and why the reference to complete stop in the rode code was removed.

 

 

evidence please

 

Well the onus is on you to provide it since you disagreee, however a good friend of mine is a cop - I will ask him.

K8Toledo:

 

 

 

Well the onus is on you to provide it since you disagreee, however a good friend of mine is a cop - I will ask him.

 

no its not as you view is contrary to the current rules.

https://www.nzta.govt.nz/roadcode/general-road-code/road-code/about-driver-responsibility/stepping-over-the-line/

Failing to stop at Stop sign  20 points

The demerit points for it

https://www.nzta.govt.nz/roadcode/general-road-code/appendices/restricted-licence-test-guide/immediate-failure-errors/

Failing to stop Explanation

Drivers are required to stop at Stop signs and for red or yellow traffic signals.

Recorded if:

• The applicant drives through a Stop sign or red traffic signal without stopping.

So please stop posting incorrect information

but simply:

https://www.nzta.govt.nz/roadcode/general-road-code/road-code/about-driving/giving-way/driving-up-to-an-intersection/

At an intersection controlled by a Stop sign:

• come to a complete stop (do not just slow down)
• stop where you can see vehicles coming from all directions
• stay stopped until you have given way to all other vehicles (this includes cycles and motorcycles, etc)
• if you and another vehicle are both facing Stop signs, use the give way rules
• you must not go until it is safe.

The word STOP and a single yellow line will be painted on the road.

Jase2985:

 

K8Toledo:

 

 

 

Well the onus is on you to provide it since you disagreee, however a good friend of mine is a cop - I will ask him.

 

 

no its not as you view is contrary to the current rules.

 

https://www.nzta.govt.nz/roadcode/general-road-code/road-code/about-driver-responsibility/stepping-over-the-line/

 

Failing to stop at Stop sign  20 points

 

The demerit points for it

 

https://www.nzta.govt.nz/roadcode/general-road-code/appendices/restricted-licence-test-guide/immediate-failure-errors/

 

Failing to stop Explanation

 

Drivers are required to stop at Stop signs and for red or yellow traffic signals.

 

Recorded if:

 

• The applicant drives through a Stop sign or red traffic signal without stopping.

 

 

So please stop posting incorrect information

 

Sigh....  

If by law a rolling stop is permitted then "failing to stop" does not include a rolling stop because the law says a rolling stop is still considered a stop.

It's not rocket science.

Failing to stop would apply, as in the USA if one were to drive through at speeds over that of a rolling stop.

I just phoned my friend - he is unsure. Said to ask NZTA.

 

Sigh....  

 

If by law a rolling stop is permitted then "failing to stop" does not include a rolling stop because the law says a rolling stop is still considered a stop.

 

It's not rocket science.

 

 

 

I just phoned my friend - he is unsure. Said to ask NZTA.

 

you obviously cant read, its crystal clear what it says from NZTA

At an intersection controlled by a Stop sign:

• come to a complete stop (do not just slow down)

It doesn't make sense to me that there would be a different definition for stop. Stop means stop, not slow down, not stop a little, not rolling stop, which is not stop. Maybe stop isn't always enforced. Maybe the officer has discretion. Maybe it depends on the phase of the moon. But it is silly and ultimately destructive to dance around the interpretation. If you are still moving, you haven't stopped. If the law says you must stop, then you are breaking the law. It seems pretty clear.

here is it from the Legislation where NZTA gets the info for the road code from.

Part 4
Stopping and giving way
4.1 Giving way where vehicles are controlled by stop sign or give-way sign
(1) A driver approaching or entering an intersection on a roadway where the vehicles that are moving in the direction in which that driver is travelling are controlled by a stop sign at or near the intersection must—
(a) stop his or her vehicle before entering the path of any possible vehicle flow at such a position as to be able to ascertain whether the way is clear for the driver to proceed; and
(b) give way to any vehicles approaching or crossing the intersection from a roadway not controlled by a stop sign.

SomeoneSomewhere:

That amendment means it is no longer a critical error. Critical errors are less severe than Immediate Failure errors.

However, the road code is not the authoritative source, and I think those amendments are only correcting drafting errors. Read the Test Guides I linked earlier, and search for 'stop sign'. They are much better and more accurately written.

In a restricted test, slowing and pausing at a stop sign but not completely stopping is only a Critical error. Missing the stop sign completely is an Immediate Failure error.

In a full license test, not coming to a complete stop is always an Immediate Failure error.