Repairing a car could soon become "copyright violation"

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mdooher

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#1290009 23-Apr-2015 10:24

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The BIG problem is that the police always want to charge someone when there is a crash (they aren't even allowed to call them accidents).. so who is in charge of an autonomous car? You?, Google? the CPU?

It's also interesting to ponder the ethics of autonomous cars, especially in scenarios where there will be a crash where fatalities are guaranteed, and the software has to determine who should live or die.

Without thinking too deeply Ill go with this:

Assuming the two cars aren't having a conversation about who is going to "take the hit" I would say each car should work for its owner.. I guess the people who can afford the better car/software get better protection: A bit like now really.

What if the scenario is different? An imminent collision that will kill the driver (and nobody else). The car can swerve, but it will then kill 3 children by the side of the road.

Same, protect the driver. The software is working for the owner. Callus? possibly, but that's the way I see it. The computer sees all external objects as just that, objects.

Maybe:

Avoid solid target - if possible aim for softer target - if this is human, avoid - if cannot avoid, hit human target, using front or side of car, not corner, if possible

or
if not under bridge or in tunnel, Eject

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#1290744 24-Apr-2015 12:12

For some cosmic reason I will never understand, nearly every electronic device I have ever bought has been faulty in some way. If I click on something in a manner Windows does not approve of, more often than not it goes into hysterical collapse. Just a couple of years ago cars were autonomously accelerating their drivers into the afterlife. Do I want a cheapie chip manufactured under the rigorous eye of Chinese quality control making life and death decisions for me on the road? Call me a Luddite but I am not about to hand that kind of power over to anything that persistently burns the toast and melts the ice-cream.

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#1290791 24-Apr-2015 13:09

Rikkitic: For some cosmic reason I will never understand, nearly every electronic device I have ever bought has been faulty in some way. If I click on something in a manner Windows does not approve of, more often than not it goes into hysterical collapse. .....

Agree about the risks modern cars could present because of computerisation.
I've read somewhere modern cars (EVs) have more lines of code written in their computers than there are in modern airplanes.
As long as you are not modifying the code - I can't see how there could ever be copyright violation.
But the bugs, the bugs....

Please do not blame yourself for gadgets braking on you. Consider it is a blessing. You probably have more spare time than I do fixing broken things.

I've heard a joke recently:
...Mom to her daughter: "When the time comes to marry a man, do not choose a guy like your farther
you see, He can fix absolutely everything -> a washing machine, a car, a stereo, a microwave, TV, everything...;
...you will never have NEW things in your house, dear....." :)

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#1290794 24-Apr-2015 13:18

Rikkitic: For some cosmic reason I will never understand, nearly every electronic device I have ever bought has been faulty in some way. If I click on something in a manner Windows does not approve of, more often than not it goes into hysterical collapse. Just a couple of years ago cars were autonomously accelerating their drivers into the afterlife. Do I want a cheapie chip manufactured under the rigorous eye of Chinese quality control making life and death decisions for me on the road? Call me a Luddite but I am not about to hand that kind of power over to anything that persistently burns the toast and melts the ice-cream.

You're taking that risk every time you drive your car, fly in a plane..

For instance the car I'm driving today has a "fly by wire" accelerator pedal.

At any time it could potentially go on the fritz, choose "pedal to metal" setting and drive me off a cliff.
Luckily the manufacturer has chosen a multiply redundant system with fail-safes to avoid that happening.

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#1290796 24-Apr-2015 13:18

RUKI:

Agree about the risks modern cars could present because of computerisation.

I agree there are risks. Same with aircraft. I feel; the risks of a computer controlled car massively outweighs the risks of a human controlled car.

Aside from computers not drinking, drugging, sleeping, emotionall;y upset at the wheel, they will continue to make bad decisions,whereas a computer that makes a bad "decision" will have the bug corrected. You coulsd argue that fatalities will drop to zero, excpet thiose caused by a bug, then thats fixed. This is exactly why air travel is safest, the ongoing and continual serach for causes of an accident, and plugging that gap. Car travel would be massively safer than air travel if they went down the same track.

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#1290998 24-Apr-2015 17:15

The biggest risk to an Autonomous vehicle will be a non autonomous one.
Those damn humans are just soo unpredictable.

But having said that, I believe the Google vision of Automated vehicles is that they're a mobile mesh network sharing the 'learning' they get from their environment (ducks crossing the road and kids running out etc)
Therefore any incidents will likely be by things outside the network....'pilot-error' of damn dumb cars.
But since the generic Kiwi driver feels they're 'better than most' then we'll see a whole new range of Tui Ads when autonomous vehicles hit the local streets

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#1293054 28-Apr-2015 16:25

The law has to determine fault/liability when vehicle malfunctions and defects cause accidents now.

What happens now if a mechanical defect occurs that the driver could not have been expected to predict and someone is hurt or killed?

Autonomous will be legally no different, just different faults/defects.

Mike

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