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#2994275 10-Nov-2022 10:12

Handsomedan:

I could tell from the second over NZ were going to struggle in that game.

The Pakistan bowling was tight, the fielding was tight and boundaries were simply not happening.

As has already been said - T20 id smash and bash - it needs to be played that way - unfortunately, the Black Caps seemed to be playing more like a 50-over game last night when they were batting.

Conversely, Pakistan were excellent in the field and deserved to win after stifling NZ like that.

Also the mostly Pakistan crowd was electric! They love their team and cricket! They were under pressure from the 2nd ball and the better team deserved the win.

I had a crap nights sleep after than :-(

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#2994298 10-Nov-2022 10:34

risingstar:
We could have scored few more runs in the last five (credits to good bowling and slow pitch) but that is not the main reason for the failure last night.

In a knockout game 150+ is a decent score and we failed miserably in the fielding department (3 dropped catches and bad wicket keeping TBH) and bowlers failed to adapt to the conditions - Not much variation and failed to capitalise the slow pitch & were not accurate (3 wides vs 0).
We let easy singles and didn't challenge the batsman enough (who were struggling with form). A forgettable semis for Boult. Pak's Field placing was spot on and our field placing was one dayish and really didn't read the innings.

Kane is usually pretty smart but seems like he gave up (mentally) after first 3 overs.

With the form we were in before the WC, we peaked when we reached SF. Time to rethink and rebuild the T20 team.

P.S. Does Erasmus have any bone to pick with NZ ? He raises his finger against blackcaps for every slightest chance he sees.

I thought I was the only one that notice this. It took him awhile to raise his finger up when Allen got out the first time then reviewed and was not out.

But the last 2 overs thought NZ might have a chance at reaching 165-170 with the amount of wickets we had left. Pakistan bowling and fielding were fantastic.

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#2996854 15-Nov-2022 18:27

Squads named for the ODI and T20 series versus India. No place for Guptill, Boult and Chapman.

Certainly should have picked Boult if he made himself available for these matches, haven't heard that he wasn't. Unless he's spoken to NZ Cricket behind the scenes and agreed with them which series he can and wants to play to manage his cricket load for the next few months.

So, what do you all think? Players lucky to be in, players unlucky to be left out, is this the squad you wanted to see or would have picked?

BLACKCAPS squads v India

Kane Williamson (c)
Finn Allen
Michael Bracewell
Devon Conway (wk)
Lockie Ferguson
Matt Henry (ODI)
Tom Latham (ODI) (wk)
Daryl Mitchell
Adam Milne
Jimmy Neesham*
Glenn Phillips
Mitchell Santner
Ish Sodhi (T20)
Tim Southee
Blair Tickner (T20)

*Jimmy Neesham has been excused from the squad for the third ODI as he prepares for his wedding, with Henry Nicholls the replacement for the final match in Christchurch.

Ben Sears (back) and Kyle Jamieson (back) were not considered for selection due to injuries.

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#2997158 16-Nov-2022 17:26

Not specifically Blackcaps news, but it does involve the NZ captain so worth an airing I think.

Perhaps not surprisingly for some of us, Sunrisers Hydrabad have released Kane Williamson from his contract for the 2023 season with them ahead of the draft. Cricinfo report the following ...

"Williamson was one of three players retained by the franchise ahead of the 2022 auction: Sunrisers spent INR 14 crore - the highest price paid to retain an overseas player in the IPL - to keep hold of him, and INR 4 crore each to retain Abdul Samad and Umran Malik.

Sunrisers' move to make Williamson their first retained player was a contentious one. It meant the franchise let go of the Afghanistan legspinner Rashid Khan, who it is learned wanted to be the first retention pick having been a serial match-winner for them.

But Sunrisers prized Williamson's skills as top-order anchor and captain. In the absence of David Warner - who was serving a one-year ban imposed by Cricket Australia for his role in the Newlands ball-tampering episode - Williamson had led Sunrisers to the IPL final in 2018, a season when he finished as the IPL's most prolific batter with 735 runs at an average of 52.50 and a strike rate of 142.44. When Sunrisers' long relationship with Warner soured midway through the 2021 season, they made Williamson their full-time captain.

As things turned out, the 2022 season was a struggle for Williamson with the bat. Nursing a troublesome elbow condition, he scored 216 runs in 13 innings at an average of 19.63 and a strike rate of 93.50. Of all batters who faced at least 100 balls in the tournament, his strike rate was the worst. His performance had a bearing on Sunrisers' overall season as well."

I heard on the radio just now that he intends chasing an IPL contract elsewhere and good luck to him, he clearly wants to keep playing in that competition. Who can blame him given the pay cheques they hand out routinely to even average cricketers.

As a biased NZ supporter though, I would like to see him lessen his workload and concentrate on test cricket. Especially if that elbow injury is chronic now and not going away. He's only 32 years old, I'd like to see him in whites until he's 40-odd like Graham Gooch did. He must be richer than god by now, surely he's financially set and can afford to take it easier to prolong his overall career.

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#2997159 16-Nov-2022 17:44

Guess Southee going to open the bowling again with Henry unless they think someone should open the bowling instead in the ODI.

Would love Bracewell to play ahead of Santner in the ODI’s. Pitches in NZ don’t spin much in ODI’s compared to T20’s and Bracewell is a better batsman.

ODI Playing XI:
1. Allen
2. Conway
3. Williamson
4. Latham (wk)
5. Mitchell
6. Bracewell
7. Neesham
8. Henry
9. Southee
10. Milne
11. Ferguson

I had a feeling he was going to get dropped from the Sunrisers but at least Phillips will playing more in the IPL next year.

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#2997166 16-Nov-2022 18:31

No place for Phillips in your ODI side, Dochart? I'd play him in both sides for sure, give Neesham the series off to attend to his wedding. In terms of the bowling, I agree it seems like Southee has to play with Boult, Sears and even Duffy not considered for one reason or another.

I hope they play Milne but not confident they will. I think they see him as still too fragile to last 10 overs consistently, and it's hard to argue against that given his injury history. Would be great to see him pair up with Ferguson on a regular basis though.

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#2997172 16-Nov-2022 18:52

thermonuclear:
No place for Phillips in your ODI side, Dochart? I'd play him in both sides for sure, give Neesham the series off to attend to his wedding. In terms of the bowling, I agree it seems like Southee has to play with Boult, Sears and even Duffy not considered for one reason or another.

I hope they play Milne but not confident they will. I think they see him as still too fragile to last 10 overs consistently, and it's hard to argue against that given his injury history. Would be great to see him pair up with Ferguson on a regular basis though.

If Mitchell or Neesham can’t play then I would definitely have Phillips playing. Only reason why I didn’t suggest him due to the balance of the side. Mitchell form has been good in all formats especially in tests and odi’s recently so I would select him ahead of Philips in the ODI side.

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#2997451 17-Nov-2022 13:34

What a waste of talent dropping Guppy - really good batsman & brilliant fieldsman... Stead makes some very strange decisions at times, reckon it's time we changed the coach, the team has been very erratic this year in all 3 formats.

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#2997464 17-Nov-2022 13:49

artbloke:

What a waste of talent dropping Guppy - really good batsman & brilliant fieldsman... Stead makes some very strange decisions at times, reckon it's time we changed the coach, the team has been very erratic this year in all 3 formats.

Agree, I felt like ever since 2021-2022 summer period we weren’t performing at out best we continue to lose games and series. That test series in England and the ODI series in Australia we should have won those 2 series.

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#2997489 17-Nov-2022 14:22

artbloke:

... Stead makes some very strange decisions at times, reckon it's time we changed the coach, the team has been very erratic this year in all 3 formats.

Isn't Gavin Larsen involved in selection as well? I do agree it's time to give both of them a rest and look for some new ideas though. Would really like to see Fleming as coach, but I don't think he wants to do it with his other commitments, ditto Shane Bond with the bowling unit.

Also agree NZ have been on the decline since the Test Championship final. We went over to England in '21, should have won the 1st Test against England at Lords, they got saved by the weather, won the second test against England in Birmingham. Then got the job done against India in the final, despite the weather trying to screw us out of the title.

The problem since then has been lack of batting form from the top order IMHO. Young, Latham, Williamson, Conway and Nicholls have all had a 12 months to forget, having all previously had a rock-solid 18 months or more and looking bullet-proof with averages 40+. You expect batters to go out of form from time to time, but for ALL of them to fall off a cliff after being so reliable and dependable for such an extended period prior to that. I couldn't believe it was the same guys.

I drained my bucket-list bank account to go to Lords and see NZ win there in June because I was so sure we were going to easily roll the Poms after 2021. If we hadn't had Mitchell and Blundell, it would have been a disaster from a batting point of view. Was also perplexed by Wagner not being a first-pick the past 12 months. It seems like he's gone away from the short stuff in favour of pitching up more, so maybe that's why he not getting the games, but the man has heart and determination and he finds a way to get the job done. I'd pick him before Southee and Boult in any test side. When NZ needs a wicket, he finds a way.

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#2997492 17-Nov-2022 14:29

Dochart:
artbloke:

What a waste of talent dropping Guppy - really good batsman & brilliant fieldsman... Stead makes some very strange decisions at times, reckon it's time we changed the coach, the team has been very erratic this year in all 3 formats.

Agree, I felt like ever since 2021-2022 summer period we weren’t performing at out best we continue to lose games and series. That test series in England and the ODI series in Australia we should have won those 2 series.

Yeah, very frustrating... wasn't long ago we'd won the WTC and had also had made the WC Finals in both the 20/20 & ODI stuff.

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#2997714 18-Nov-2022 07:08

Well, this is a major bummer

This series is, unfortunately, about who’s not playing. India, captained by crowd-pleasing all-rounder Hardik Pandya, are missing six of their best-known cricketers for rest or injury reasons: Virat Kohli, Rohit Sharma, Jasprit Bumrah, Ravindra Jadeja, Ravichandran Ashwin and KL Rahul.

Was looking forward to this series, but if one side is eye wateringly weakened, its hardly going to be a must watch sports event TBH

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#2997739 18-Nov-2022 08:53

thermonuclear:

artbloke:

... Stead makes some very strange decisions at times, reckon it's time we changed the coach, the team has been very erratic this year in all 3 formats.

Isn't Gavin Larsen involved in selection as well? I do agree it's time to give both of them a rest and look for some new ideas though. Would really like to see Fleming as coach, but I don't think he wants to do it with his other commitments, ditto Shane Bond with the bowling unit.

Also agree NZ have been on the decline since the Test Championship final. We went over to England in '21, should have won the 1st Test against England at Lords, they got saved by the weather, won the second test against England in Birmingham. Then got the job done against India in the final, despite the weather trying to screw us out of the title.

The problem since then has been lack of batting form from the top order IMHO. Young, Latham, Williamson, Conway and Nicholls have all had a 12 months to forget, having all previously had a rock-solid 18 months or more and looking bullet-proof with averages 40+. You expect batters to go out of form from time to time, but for ALL of them to fall off a cliff after being so reliable and dependable for such an extended period prior to that. I couldn't believe it was the same guys.

I drained my bucket-list bank account to go to Lords and see NZ win there in June because I was so sure we were going to easily roll the Poms after 2021. If we hadn't had Mitchell and Blundell, it would have been a disaster from a batting point of view. Was also perplexed by Wagner not being a first-pick the past 12 months. It seems like he's gone away from the short stuff in favour of pitching up more, so maybe that's why he not getting the games, but the man has heart and determination and he finds a way to get the job done. I'd pick him before Southee and Boult in any test side. When NZ needs a wicket, he finds a way.

Yeah, Fleming would be a top option as our coach, would also like to see Bond back as our bowling coach.

That's right our top order has been a big problem, that's where most of your runs should come from, if you score poorly in your 1st innings at bat you're going to struggle for the rest of the match on most occasions... our bowling hasn't been that great either, we're not bowling well in pairs, so we can't keep the pressure on the opposition batsmen.

That's a shame mate to pay all that money to go to England to watch us play so poorly, was a really gutless effort by us in the Test Matches.

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#2997740 18-Nov-2022 08:57

tdgeek:

Well, this is a major bummer

This series is, unfortunately, about who’s not playing. India, captained by crowd-pleasing all-rounder Hardik Pandya, are missing six of their best-known cricketers for rest or injury reasons: Virat Kohli, Rohit Sharma, Jasprit Bumrah, Ravindra Jadeja, Ravichandran Ashwin and KL Rahul.

Was looking forward to this series, but if one side is eye wateringly weakened, its hardly going to be a must watch sports event TBH

Agreed, there was no reason to not play 6 of their best players, very disappointing.

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#2997744 18-Nov-2022 09:06

Like the positive way Allen plays - but at the start of his innings he needs to use better shot selection, if it very full homed in at the stumps early on he's best just to get in behind the ball & defend it, if it's a bit short or wide then he can attack it.

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