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Jaxson

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  #3318407 9-Dec-2024 14:12
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Does rather feel like the poisoned challus vibe.  Do you really want that seat right away?

And honestly now, is Red Bull the prime seat it once was?
Ferrari, McLaren looks to be top contenders next year, and Mercedes and Red Bull below that.  
Aston Martin picked up Newey for example and a lot of others have moved on from Red Bull now, so I seriously think their domination period is over now.




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  #3318417 9-Dec-2024 14:46
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The circus has come to a close and lots of mind games happening already!

Congrats to McLaren for winning again since 1998...wow, that's a long time ago. Ferrari played it too safe, should've pitted Carlos and try to pressure Lando...Charles drove well to get P3 but will be disappointed as he will go up against his teammate in 2025 without any bragging rights...

Max v George...I believe is just mind games...like how Max still toys with McLaren taking Oscar out in the first corner in hopes that Ferrari takes it and puts pressure on Lando...but I have always dislike how Max drives...it's racing when he does it, but anyone else that tries it should be penalised (austria)...

Wouldn't surprise me if indeed max said what max said to george...but george isn't the coolest cucumber as well...and he's now the main man in a resurging team and would like to 'man-up' to the position...

2025 will be interesting with relatively stable rules given there's potentially at least 4 teams in the fight towards end of 2024.

Have a great Christmas and New Year...we go again in 2025!!

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  #3318513 9-Dec-2024 19:20
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I feel that Liam will take the 2nd Red Bull seat. Yuki doesn't seem to have many supporters in the Red Bull hierarchy, maybe because of the Aston Martin tie up with Honda from 26. 

 

 

I hope not, I'd rather he mature as a F1 driver in the Jnr team for 1 year before upgrading & potentially crashing out like Gasly/Albon. Bottas would make a good support driver for Max in the mean time.

 

 

Bottas would as would Sainz




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  #3318514 9-Dec-2024 19:25
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Jvipers2: 

Max v George...I believe is just mind games...like how Max still toys with McLaren taking Oscar out in the first corner in hopes that Ferrari takes it and puts pressure on Lando...but I have always dislike how Max drives...it's racing when he does it, but anyone else that tries it should be penalised (austria)...

Wouldn't surprise me if indeed max said what max said to george...but george isn't the coolest cucumber as well...and he's now the main man in a resurging team and would like to 'man-up' to the position...

 

Taking Oscar out? Yes he did. Standard fare on first lap of any GP. Max apologised, Oscar left an opening which he should not have done, Max took it, the grip wasnt what he expected so he bailed out, but too late. For context, Oscar runs into the back of Colapinto. Bottas takes a big lunge, locks up and hits Hulk. Way more bad than Max on this occasion. But thats racing.

 

Last point, yes I agree. 


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  #3318515 9-Dec-2024 19:28
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2025 will be like 2024, fun. 4 teams in it. But IMHO they are all very very different. McLaren, the most stable and reliable team but they have had races they cannot compete, same for Ferrari. Mercedes often look average but they win races and can be unbeatable. Red Bull, arguable the worst of the 4 teams now, but the best driver, aka the only driver.


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  #3318526 9-Dec-2024 20:19
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2025 should see teams more even from the start.  Should be very interesting at this stage, last before big changes again in 2026 from memory.  That Red Bull winning 7 out of first 10 races stat was a surprise to me.  I'd forgotten that period in a long 24 race season.  Doubt any team will get the runaway chance to do that for the first 1/3 of the season next year.

Last 6 races comparison on paper at least shows Tsunoda as the more capable pick.  6 races to compare, Tsunoda out qualified Liam 6:0 and scored twice the number of points.  Even saying Tsunoda is too hot headed was tough given Liams out there giving the finger to Perez and aggravating Alonso.  

I think Liam has performed well all things considered but do Red Bull fast track him into a front running team?

Lawson
Qualified 15, 12, 5, 15, 17, 12
Finishing 9, 16, 9, 16, 14, 17
Scored total of 4 points in last 6 races.

Tsunoda
Qualified 11, 11, 3, 7, 14, 11
Finishing 12, 14, DNF, 7, 9, 13, 12
Scored total of 8 points in last 6 races.



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  #3318682 10-Dec-2024 08:20
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I mean he hasn't wrecked a car yet, which is also something you can't measure with finishing positions. 

 

The real question is 'Has Yuki performed better than Liam given he has had four full seasons within the same team?' 

 

Being anonymous in the 2nd Red Bull doesn't work either, look at what happened with Albon, who was more than capable and whose results were made worse by getting walled by Hamilton twice. 


 
 
 

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  #3318685 10-Dec-2024 08:33
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GV27:

 

I mean he hasn't wrecked a car yet, which is also something you can't measure with finishing positions. 

 

The real question is 'Has Yuki performed better than Liam given he has had four full seasons within the same team?' 

 

Being anonymous in the 2nd Red Bull doesn't work either, look at what happened with Albon, who was more than capable and whose results were made worse by getting walled by Hamilton twice. 

 

 

Pretty much

 

Take last race, Liam looked good, said it was his best race ever, finished 17th due to a bung pitstop. To analyse the two of them you'd need to assess each race and make allowances for matters that helped or hindered their races that they had no control over, deduct that and that leaves the skill

 

Liam's 5 races last year was littered with disadvantages, but that stint put his name on the billboard. As you say, after 4 years of the car and the tracks, he should grow leaps and bounds. Yuki hasnt. He was good then, he is good now, not much of a 4 year trajectory    


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  #3318687 10-Dec-2024 08:43
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What was the story with the loose wheel? I've seen video that looks as if the car didn’t go far before stopping yet some reports claim he did a slow lap before pitting again. Are they confusing a drive through penalty?

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  #3318691 10-Dec-2024 08:52
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First pit was change to hards and the front left wheel wasn't attached properly
Second pit (single lap with wheel not attached properly) was to reattach the wheel.
Third pit was to serve 10 second penalty and nothing was done to the car




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  #3318724 10-Dec-2024 10:40
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GV27:

 

I mean he hasn't wrecked a car yet, which is also something you can't measure with finishing positions. 

 

The real question is 'Has Yuki performed better than Liam given he has had four full seasons within the same team?' 

 

Being anonymous in the 2nd Red Bull doesn't work either, look at what happened with Albon, who was more than capable and whose results were made worse by getting walled by Hamilton twice. 

 

 

The Telling thing is the in 4 years Yuki has never driven the Red Bull car, his first will be this year when he tests tyres on it, there must be a reason, When Liam has driven it a few times in testing.





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  #3318800 10-Dec-2024 15:00
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tdgeek:

 

Bottas would as would Sainz

 

 

I see it has been announced that sponsor Santander has followed Sainz from Ferrari to Williams. Definitely makes it look like the move to Williams is rock-solid for Sainz, and that he won't be lured away to Red Bull in a last minute twist to the driver movements.

 

I thought it was a great season finale, congratulations to McLaren on securing the WCC. Thought the celebrations were a bit OTT but that probably reflects my own bias towards the WDC result. I guess you've got to take the wins where you can and fair play to them for getting that championship over the line. Wonder what the Ferrari 2024 championship shirts are selling for on Ebay now.

 

Thought Lawson had a great drive considering the circumstances. I watched most of the race using his car cam, and the messages coming from his race engineer were pretty positive in terms of times. Think he was circulating in 5th at one point with other driver stops already occurring obviously. Saw that fatal pitstop go down in real time, what a tough break for him. Initially thought he might have gone early after the tire change but I later saw the light was green and the car was off the jack, so he followed the procedure correctly.

 

His radio message on the out-lap was interesting, that he was worried about the jack operator and that he didn't know what to do. He didn't slow right off to limp back to the pits, that was pretty gutsy although he must have had a sinking feeling as he knew his race was going down the toilet. With the benefit of hindsight he probably should have remained in the pit and let the crew get him back on the front jack so they could tighten the wheel correctly. I guess it's second nature to go when the light turns green, and I don't know if the pit crew are wired into the communications so they can get the message out instantaneously to Liam to not drive off and to the crew to lift the car and fix the issue. Like I said a real tough break for him.

 

Radio messaging from Pierre Hamelin to Liam after the incident was great to hear, telling him to get his head down and show everyone what he can do behind the wheel. He did look genuinely quick to my untrained eye and he was lapping quicker than Tsunoda according to Hamelin. Again, it was a shame for the car to die with a lap or so to go, I dunno if they turned the wick up being the last race of the season or even if that is possible during the race, but he was definitely flying. I see he made comments post-race that he thought he was going well speed-wise, so I think it was a positive given he DNF'ed and the poor pit-stop.

 

So, now we wait for the Tsunoda tire test and the Red Bull shareholder meeting to hear what's what. I will be absolutely staggered if Red Bull have to pay any kind of compensation beyond a $20 Bunnings giftcard to Perez if they ditch him. He didn't have a leg to stand on when his contract was extended earlier this year, and they could have offered him practically nothing to re-sign and he would have bitten both hands off. With the writing on the wall at the summer break, surely Red Bull played the strategic game and kept Perez on for the remainder of the season hoping he would perform poorly so they could secure more CFD time in 2025 to try and fix their underperforming car?

 

Anyway, I guess we will see what we see in due course. Really hope they give Lawson the Red Bull seat. It would be a big u-turn from Red Bull to put Tsunoda in there now after all that has been said and done, and they must be looking to cut him loose once the Honda partnership ends after next season. Lindblad is their long term junior star they are pinning the hopes on, plus another big name driver they can poach from the current grid if Verstappen leaves at some point. Lawson has the potential to shine once he gains more experience and one-lap speed for qualifying.

 

More immediately, looking forward to the F1 Grid Secret Santa video going up on their YouTube channel. I do wonder if they will pair Liam with Alonso or Perez for a bit of added entertainment. 


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  #3318826 10-Dec-2024 16:22
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Nice post. Isn't the meeting Monday, which is today? Maybe it will hit the news overnight for us. Liam has gone really well, remember only 5 races last year now 6 this year, already turned heads last year. Get him in the seat and he wont need 10 races to ease in. My feeling is he has taken the steady approach, hence hasnt employed panelbeaters on a regular basis, so IMO more to give. That point has set Colapinto back. Fast is fine but keep it on the black stuff

 

Now the long haul till March!


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  #3318840 10-Dec-2024 17:50
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Survive to Drive had taken a ratings dive from memory but there's too much content for them in this season!

Usual games now, odd bit of news over the New Years break, Survice to Drive, Testing, renewal codes hopefully for F1TV.

I decided not to opt for Sky black friday deal offering of $1 per day and hope to renew F1TV at a decent rate...

 

 

 

 


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Various outlets globally starting to run Lawson in, Perez out rumour stories.
I guess it’s almost time for the annual geekzone new year F1 thread change and a fresh 2025 version.

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