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#1007327 17-Mar-2014 14:08

joker97: hard to read too much into it. it's like a ISP staff having 4g and remote desktoping at home.

or a racing driver having a fast car at home isn't it?

No commercial pilot I know has anything like that at home - not in their wildest dreams. They tend to be extremely dedicated and real enthusiasts for sure, but recreational aviation activities tend to be by way of owning light aircraft etc.
Pilots have to do simulator time, so I suppose some extra practice would be handy, but IMO that setup is extraordinary, complete with what looks like full instrumentation switch-gear etc.

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#1007329 17-Mar-2014 14:10

trig42:

This setup here is probably one reason his wife left him - never got to see him.

Edit - yes - LOL. The pilots I know have wives and families.

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#1007336 17-Mar-2014 14:34

The Suicide angle -

Why would you go to all the trouble of turning the plane around to crash it into the Indian ocean and turning off all those systems etc. If you wanted to crash the plane into the ocean, the pilot could simple turn off the autopilot and point the nose down and it would be all over in a couple of minutes

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#1007344 17-Mar-2014 14:49

ajobbins: The Suicide angle -

Why would you go to all the trouble of turning the plane around to crash it into the Indian ocean and turning off all those systems etc. If you wanted to crash the plane into the ocean, the pilot could simple turn off the autopilot and point the nose down and it would be all over in a couple of minutes

Insurance for his family that he wants them to recieve is one reason. Similarly, in theor culture there may be shame

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#1007345 17-Mar-2014 14:49

ajobbins: The Suicide angle -

Why would you go to all the trouble of turning the plane around to crash it into the Indian ocean and turning off all those systems etc. If you wanted to crash the plane into the ocean, the pilot could simple turn off the autopilot and point the nose down and it would be all over in a couple of minutes

agree , and for terrorism he could have flown anywhere , even in another countries airspace he could have said he was out of fuel or had a passenger emergency and then done the 911 thing at the last minute.
I still wonder what it was the kiwi saw from the oil rig it which I think lines up with the non seismic event on the sea floor in that exact area.

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#1007350 17-Mar-2014 14:53

turnin:
I still wonder what it was the kiwi saw from the oil rig it which I think lines up with the non seismic event on the sea floor in that exact area.

Where did all the pings after this time come from? This area has already had a thorough going over.

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#1007352 17-Mar-2014 14:55

ajobbins: The Suicide angle -

Why would you go to all the trouble of turning the plane around to crash it into the Indian ocean and turning off all those systems etc. If you wanted to crash the plane into the ocean, the pilot could simple turn off the autopilot and point the nose down and it would be all over in a couple of minutes

Evidence of suicide may invalidate life insurance...
IMO, under the apparent circumstances, the "hiding evidence of suicide" speculation is a very weak argument.
Actually every argument/theory seems full of holes, either lack of motive, lack of evidence, lack of logical reason or method in apparent madness.
The only suggestion which really makes sense is that if the pilot wanted to create an extremely mysterious enigma, then he did it very well.
But that's a very weak motive to justify taking 239 lives with you, and by all accounts, there's nothing to suggest that he was psychopathic and didn't care...

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#1007354 17-Mar-2014 14:56

tdgeek: Insurance for his family that he wants them to recieve is one reason. Similarly, in theory culture there may be shame

Still not convinced. Down in the Indian Ocean, down in the South China Sea - what does it matter? The truth or at least most of it is likely to come out in the end. I'm sure there are much easier ways to 'fake' it without going to so much trouble. Just turn off the AP, sit there and do/say nothing and wait for it to crash. When they find the wreckage, they would probably conclude that for some reason you became unconscious. The very fact you just 'vanished off the radar' raises more questions.

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#1007363 17-Mar-2014 15:08

Re the suicide angle: because the person sitting next to you is trying to talk you out of it and you're explaining/justifying your behaviour. The same sort reasoning behind the vast majority of people on tall buildings who don't actually jump, they want attention and allow negotiators to do their thing. They don't necessarily want to be talked down, but they don't necessarily want to die either. People can go into dark places for all sorts of reasons and the outcomes can vary wildly.

Naturally this doesn't explain the lack of attention the pilot (or co-pilot) would have drawn to themselves, or why the other didn't establish communications, or where they flew, or anything at all... It's just one of a series of speculative theories and until a significant breakthrough is made it shall remain as such.

My experiences (of which I have a reasonable amount) with suicidal people, and those claiming to be, is that there are a few "classes":
1. people who see no other option and just do it (usually intentions are discovered post mortem)
2. people who will seriously attempt it (but intentions are made public so they can be stopped - doesn't always happen...)
3. people who self make threats and self harm so they get the attention they crave
4. people who make threats to cause distress to others

The last suicide I went to (shotgun in mouth) was a combination of 1 and 4. This is the combination I'm leaning towards in this case. I have absolutely no qualms about being wrong, I just hope something is discovered fairly soon for the sake of the families.

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#1007365 17-Mar-2014 15:14

Dratsab: Re the suicide angle: because the person sitting next to you is trying to talk you out of it and you're explaining/justifying your behaviour. The same sort reasoning behind the vast majority of people on tall buildings who don't actually jump, they want attention and allow negotiators to do their thing. They don't necessarily want to be talked down, but they don't necessarily want to die either. People can go into dark places for all sorts of reasons and the outcomes can vary wildly.

Naturally this doesn't explain the lack of attention the pilot (or co-pilot) would have drawn to themselves, or why the other didn't establish communications, or where they flew, or anything at all... It's just one of a series of speculative theories and until a significant breakthrough is made it shall remain as such.

My experiences (of which I have a reasonable amount) with suicidal people, and those claiming to be, is that there are a few "classes":
1. people who see no other option and just do it (usually intentions are discovered post mortem)
2. people who will seriously attempt it (but intentions are made public so they can be stopped - doesn't always happen...)
3. people who self make threats and self harm so they get the attention they crave
4. people who make threats to cause distress to others

The last suicide I went to (shotgun in mouth) was a combination of 1 and 4. This is the combination I'm leaning towards in this case. I have absolutely no qualms about being wrong, I just hope something is discovered fairly soon for the sake of the families.

Maybe he was going for suicide by Malay air force.

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#1007366 17-Mar-2014 15:16

ajobbins:
tdgeek: Insurance for his family that he wants them to recieve is one reason. Similarly, in theory culture there may be shame

Still not convinced. Down in the Indian Ocean, down in the South China Sea - what does it matter? The truth or at least most of it is likely to come out in the end. I'm sure there are much easier ways to 'fake' it without going to so much trouble. Just turn off the AP, sit there and do/say nothing and wait for it to crash. When they find the wreckage, they would probably conclude that for some reason you became unconscious. The very fact you just 'vanished off the radar' raises more questions.

Ther investigation will show everything that was set, unset, configured, etc. The Flight Data Recorder carries hundreds of parameters, he would know it will get solved, they always do, eventually. Best to evade detetction, go to Indian Ocean which is deep (SE Asia is very shallow)

If he insured his family, they will get nothing if the case is solved down to a suicide crash.

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#1007371 17-Mar-2014 15:23

Has it been determined that the Kiwi who apparently saw a plane going down was mistaken?

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#1007374 17-Mar-2014 15:25

Dratsab: Re the suicide angle: because the person sitting next to you is trying to talk you out of it and you're explaining/justifying your behaviour. The same sort reasoning behind the vast majority of people on tall buildings who don't actually jump, they want attention and allow negotiators to do their thing. They don't necessarily want to be talked down, but they don't necessarily want to die either. People can go into dark places for all sorts of reasons and the outcomes can vary wildly.

Naturally this doesn't explain the lack of attention the pilot (or co-pilot) would have drawn to themselves, or why the other didn't establish communications, or where they flew, or anything at all... It's just one of a series of speculative theories and until a significant breakthrough is made it shall remain as such.

My experiences (of which I have a reasonable amount) with suicidal people, and those claiming to be, is that there are a few "classes":
1. people who see no other option and just do it (usually intentions are discovered post mortem)
2. people who will seriously attempt it (but intentions are made public so they can be stopped - doesn't always happen...)
3. people who self make threats and self harm so they get the attention they crave
4. people who make threats to cause distress to others

The last suicide I went to (shotgun in mouth) was a combination of 1 and 4. This is the combination I'm leaning towards in this case. I have absolutely no qualms about being wrong, I just hope something is discovered fairly soon for the sake of the families.

Most suicides for those reasons don't knowingly and willingly take (238) innocent unknown others with them when they go.

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#1007375 17-Mar-2014 15:26

Fred99:
Dratsab: Re the suicide angle: because the person sitting next to you is trying to talk you out of it and you're explaining/justifying your behaviour. The same sort reasoning behind the vast majority of people on tall buildings who don't actually jump, they want attention and allow negotiators to do their thing. They don't necessarily want to be talked down, but they don't necessarily want to die either. People can go into dark places for all sorts of reasons and the outcomes can vary wildly.

Naturally this doesn't explain the lack of attention the pilot (or co-pilot) would have drawn to themselves, or why the other didn't establish communications, or where they flew, or anything at all... It's just one of a series of speculative theories and until a significant breakthrough is made it shall remain as such.

My experiences (of which I have a reasonable amount) with suicidal people, and those claiming to be, is that there are a few "classes":
1. people who see no other option and just do it (usually intentions are discovered post mortem)
2. people who will seriously attempt it (but intentions are made public so they can be stopped - doesn't always happen...)
3. people who self make threats and self harm so they get the attention they crave
4. people who make threats to cause distress to others

The last suicide I went to (shotgun in mouth) was a combination of 1 and 4. This is the combination I'm leaning towards in this case. I have absolutely no qualms about being wrong, I just hope something is discovered fairly soon for the sake of the families.

Most suicides for those reasons don't knowingly and willingly take (238) innocent unknown others with them when they go.

I agree, most murder suicides are family related.

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#1007380 17-Mar-2014 15:28

networkn:
Fred99:
Dratsab: Re the suicide angle: because the person sitting next to you is trying to talk you out of it and you're explaining/justifying your behaviour. The same sort reasoning behind the vast majority of people on tall buildings who don't actually jump, they want attention and allow negotiators to do their thing. They don't necessarily want to be talked down, but they don't necessarily want to die either. People can go into dark places for all sorts of reasons and the outcomes can vary wildly.

Naturally this doesn't explain the lack of attention the pilot (or co-pilot) would have drawn to themselves, or why the other didn't establish communications, or where they flew, or anything at all... It's just one of a series of speculative theories and until a significant breakthrough is made it shall remain as such.

My experiences (of which I have a reasonable amount) with suicidal people, and those claiming to be, is that there are a few "classes":
1. people who see no other option and just do it (usually intentions are discovered post mortem)
2. people who will seriously attempt it (but intentions are made public so they can be stopped - doesn't always happen...)
3. people who self make threats and self harm so they get the attention they crave
4. people who make threats to cause distress to others

The last suicide I went to (shotgun in mouth) was a combination of 1 and 4. This is the combination I'm leaning towards in this case. I have absolutely no qualms about being wrong, I just hope something is discovered fairly soon for the sake of the families.

Most suicides for those reasons don't knowingly and willingly take (238) innocent unknown others with them when they go.

I agree, most murder suicides are family related.

Yes - with the exceptions of "random shooters" who may not be intending suicide, and suicide bombers - who have been brainwashed with religious dogma.

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