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#3267971 4-Aug-2024 11:55

SJB:

Netanyahu's political strategy - if they don't agree with you, sack them and replace them with people who do agree with you.

Reports: Security chiefs feel PM 'has given up on hostages'; he's set to fire some of them | The Times of Israel

No different than Trump, then?

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#3268079 4-Aug-2024 15:25

Batman,
The video pointed to some different questions but did not answer really.

Why do many surrounding states hold back from a unified full press against Israel?

My angle.

The map if you just look at each state the political conditions and vulnerabilities.
Surrounding Israel.

Without common enemy of Israel, what happens?
If they disappeared and took their Nukes with them.
Does conflict turn inward?

Jordan,
Palestinian groups have scores to settle, re treatment of camps there.
Other neighbors may remember a war against Israel Jordan sat out and number 2 to recognize Israel.
Hosting evil western forces.
Hamas fought a mini war against PLO when it took over Gaza, so settling other scores?.

Egypt,
Iran would prefer a different dictator, Hamas would too.
They may not be the same if Hamas gets uncomfortable with Iran wanting too much influence over Holy Land.

Lebanon,
Hezbollah/Iran maybe some pluses for Syria's Assad, if certain groups no longer existed in Lebanon.
If Israelis disappeared, why not these other inconveniences?

Syria, a freer hand for Assad, maybe greater shared influence with Iran/Russia over Iraq is due.
There are some very nice oil wells in the Kurdish part of Iraq too.

Libya in balance, and you can roll though the various neighbors.

Even basic Sunni vs Shia is fragmented by very different views of ISIS and other subgroups of each.
All wanting to no longer be a subgroup.

Nothing is easy in that whole area.

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#3268243 5-Aug-2024 08:13

This is depressingly familiar.

Security chiefs, negotiators, US all said blaming Netanyahu for tanking hostage talks | The Times of Israel

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#3268521 6-Aug-2024 09:16

Hey Joe, here's one of the guys you are helping to stay in power.

Smotrich: It may be ‘justified’ to starve 2 million Gazans, but world won’t let us | The Times of Israel

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#3268970 7-Aug-2024 08:51

Sinwar appointed the new head of Hammas.

No chance of a cease fire now unless the US withdraws all support. Which it won't.

And it probably means death for all remaining hostages.

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#3268974 7-Aug-2024 09:09

SJB:

Sinwar appointed the new head of Hammas.

No chance of a cease fire now unless the US withdraws all support. Which it won't.

And it probably means death for all remaining hostages.

Is there any certainty that they are still alive? With food and other resources scarce and hard to come by, not having to support them any longer might seem like a logical choice to some.

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#3268978 7-Aug-2024 09:24

Rikkitic:

SJB:

Sinwar appointed the new head of Hammas.

No chance of a cease fire now unless the US withdraws all support. Which it won't.

And it probably means death for all remaining hostages.

Is there any certainty that they are still alive? With food and other resources scarce and hard to come by, not having to support them any longer might seem like a logical choice to some.

I've seen Israeli estimates that 80-90 are still alive but who knows.

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#3271332 14-Aug-2024 09:55

You are not human if you aren't moved by this story.

Newborn twins killed in Gaza as father went to register birth - BBC News

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#3271346 14-Aug-2024 10:24

SJB:

You are not human if you aren't moved by this story.

Newborn twins killed in Gaza as father went to register birth - BBC News

No words... I mean, it's a drop in the ocean at this point but holy ****.

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#3275979 28-Aug-2024 09:02

This is a depressing read.

Under cover of war, extremists are seizing Palestinian land – they hope permanently - BBC News

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#3285468 23-Sep-2024 15:15

Inactive group of Israeli generals tells Netanyahu to cut off all humanitarian supplies to northern Gaza and force Hamas submission and hostage release with starvation. Netanyahu said to comment favorably on the plan.

CNN: “The reality today in Gaza is that Sinwar is really not stressed,” he [inactive general] says in the video. “The right thing to do is to inform the approximately 300,000 residents who remained in the northern Gaza Strip, citizen residents, of the following: Not that we are suggesting you leave the northern Gaza Strip, we are ordering you to leave the northern Gaza Strip.” “In a week, the entire territory of the northern Gaza Strip will become military territory. And this military territory, as far as we are concerned, no supplies will enter it. That is why 5,000 terrorists who are in this situation, they can either surrender or starve.”

This kind of plan was more or less used in the early and subsequent stages of the war already and has continued to a greater or lesser degree since then in various zones. The generals seem to believe the approach is successful and brought earlier success in negotiations. Like earlier iterations of the same plan the number of dead hostages does not seem to concern them, or that it means continuation of the war on all fronts. Most Israelis including the huge number protesting against Netanyahu see the wars continuation as a political decision and in fact Netanyahu's only option to retain power as long as he can in the face of numerous scandals.

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#3285472 23-Sep-2024 15:41

gzt:

Inactive group of Israeli generals tells Netanyahu to cut off all humanitarian supplies to northern Gaza and force Hamas submission and hostage release with starvation. Netanyahu said to comment favorably on the plan.

I guess he really wants to secure that war-criminal indictment then.

(“wilfully impeding relief supplies as provided for under the Geneva Conventions” is a war crime).