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#2544657 19-Aug-2020 17:56

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2017 Election Result

Labour: 36.89% of the vote

National: 44.45% of the vote

Yeah sure, Ardern wiped the floor.

The Labour Party manifesto was also full of the same crap the electorate had rejected in previous elections. The only thing that really changed was a) light rail and b) it was fronted by well-spoken, attractive young female leader. Which empirically proves that anyone who didn't vote for Cunliffe but voted for Ardern is a misogynist.

Or obsessed with trams, which is 100% acceptable.

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#2544660 19-Aug-2020 18:05

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2017 Election Result

Labour: 36.89% of the vote

National: 44.45% of the vote

Yeah sure, Ardern wiped the floor.

The Labour Party manifesto was also full of the same crap the electorate had rejected in previous elections. The only thing that really changed was a) light rail and b) it was fronted by well-spoken, attractive young female leader. Which empirically proves that anyone who didn't vote for Cunliffe but voted for Ardern is a misogynist.

Or obsessed with trams, which is 100% acceptable.

Or, that while policy is important to voters, it is less important than character.

Key was the same. He promised no new taxes. Nek minit GST goes up. He connected with the electorate so they kept voting for him.

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#2544662 19-Aug-2020 18:12

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Or, that while policy is important to voters, it is less important than character.

Key was the same. He promised no new taxes. Nek minit GST goes up. He connected with the electorate so they kept voting for him.

See, that's Ardern's real problem - she's not a bloke I'd want to have a beer with.

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#2544708 19-Aug-2020 20:09

GV27: I'm not really sure that Kiwis would have been that much worse off under him though. My biggest frustration is the missed opportunity and the feeling that NZ will still facing the same problems, writing the same reports and not actually doing anything about them in a decade's time. We should expect better, and I believe Labour's lack of talent and the media's desire to softball Ardern questions means we won't get it.

I find this an interesting statement when the last 7 months are anything to go by we would be in a similar or worse situation as Australia in regards to the COVID response. I also have no doubt in my mind the achievements that have been made with global internet companies such as Google / Facebook would have never occurred under a National Government.

All we need to do is look at Nationals terrible history in Parliament prior to lockdown and Bill English's behaviour.

https://vimeo.com/395338398 - Labour reaches out to National to work together, and is rejected. Do you honestly believe that National would have done the same.

https://youtu.be/5EoOZFCdqtw - Bill Englishes last speech in parliament before he was rolled.... Such a conciliatory tone that would have

I know authoritarianism is appealing to some as it helps improve their sense of entitlement as by voting on "their team" means that everyone who isn't on "their team" in inherently lower.

However that doesn't end up with the best outcome for most likely the lower socioeconomic members of our society.

The PM has shown to be smart, knowledgeable across the majority of the issues facing the country irrespective of the portfolio and genuine. She is utterly dominating the centre.

The opposition leader has shown to be underhanded, dishonest and petulant. If you were unsure she is unfit to hold any position of power her RNZ interview put that nail in the coffin.

I'm personally looking forward to the leaders head to head debates.. as they are going to be an bloodbath for the opposition.

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#2544722 19-Aug-2020 20:29

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GV27: I'm not really sure that Kiwis would have been that much worse off under him though. My biggest frustration is the missed opportunity and the feeling that NZ will still facing the same problems, writing the same reports and not actually doing anything about them in a decade's time. We should expect better, and I believe Labour's lack of talent and the media's desire to softball Ardern questions means we won't get it.

I find this an interesting statement when the last 7 months are anything to go by we would be in a similar or worse situation as Australia in regards to the COVID response. I also have no doubt in my mind the achievements that have been made with global internet companies such as Google / Facebook would have never occurred under a National Government.

All we need to do is look at Nationals terrible history in Parliament prior to lockdown and Bill English's behaviour.

https://vimeo.com/395338398 - Labour reaches out to National to work together, and is rejected. Do you honestly believe that National would have done the same.

https://youtu.be/5EoOZFCdqtw - Bill Englishes last speech in parliament before he was rolled.... Such a conciliatory tone that would have

I know authoritarianism is appealing to some as it helps improve their sense of entitlement as by voting on "their team" means that everyone who isn't on "their team" in inherently lower.

However that doesn't end up with the best outcome for most likely the lower socioeconomic members of our society.

The PM has shown to be smart, knowledgeable across the majority of the issues facing the country irrespective of the portfolio and genuine. She is utterly dominating the centre.

The opposition leader has shown to be underhanded, dishonest and petulant. If you were unsure she is unfit to hold any position of power her RNZ interview put that nail in the coffin.

I'm personally looking forward to the leaders head to head debates.. as they are going to be an bloodbath for the opposition.

It's great how Labour has built 10,000 homes, significantly reduced child poverty and will have light rail to the Mt Roskill in 4 years.

Oh wait...

It's entirely possible for a government to be moderately incompetent and the opposition to be worse. Take a look at the current parliament.

Edit: Corrected the light rail to Mt Roskill rather than the airport.

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#2544729 19-Aug-2020 20:46

Handle9: It's great how Labour has built 10,000 homes, significantly reduced child poverty and will have light rail to the Mt Roskill in 4 years.

Oh wait...

It's entirely possible for a government to be moderately incompetent and the opposition to be worse. Take a look at the current parliament.

Edit: Corrected the light rail to Mt Roskill rather than the airport.

https://kaingaora.govt.nz/about-us/housing-statistics/ - 66K is 3000 more than 63k. And considering that the oldest report in 2015 had 67k... That is a lot of state houses sold under National.

I agree Labour hasn't been all that bold this election term, I suspect it has a lot to do with the coalition agreement they have with NZ First which is why the light rail didn't get built.

But the certainly have dominated the centre ground especially over the Christchurch terrorist attack and the COVID response.

It does annoy hard-code national supporters, but really they wouldn't change their vote no matter what their party did. Elections are won and lost in the centre, and the Trumpesq approach from National isn't a winning one.

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#2544786 19-Aug-2020 22:54

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/122501056/disgraced-mp-hamish-walker-says-he-followed-bad-advice

The only "bad advice" he followed was the voice in his head that said "release the document! This will so exonerate you from being a racist!" 🙄

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#2544840 20-Aug-2020 00:20

Handle9:

Or, that while policy is important to voters, it is less important than character.

Key was the same. He promised no new taxes. Nek minit GST goes up. He connected with the electorate so they kept voting for him.

I think he said tax wouldn't increase right? And with Income tax dropping, net impact was people paid less tax?

Also, let's not forget Coalition said the same thing, then Petrol taxes... Oh wait.. that's a not a "new" tax it's an increase of an existing one.. Technicalities...

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#2544841 20-Aug-2020 00:23

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Lol. It wasn't a consipracy. It's an interesting sequence of events.

I'm not sure where you got conspiracy from what I wrote, just a bitter old man putting himself in front of the country.

I've yet to met an Act voter who did so expecting them to form a Government with Labour.

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#2544842 20-Aug-2020 00:25

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I don't live in Auckland and where I am life is still pretty normal. Shops are open, few masks to be seen, life goes on. I know I would rather be here than anywhere else I can think of.

Yep, life's pretty normal, except for say.. The 250 people a day losing jobs, and the $440 million it's costing per week for lockdown..

No big deal!

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#2544843 20-Aug-2020 00:31

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Handle9:

Lol. It wasn't a consipracy. It's an interesting sequence of events.

I'm not sure where you got conspiracy from what I wrote, just a bitter old man putting himself in front of the country.

The first time I read this I thought you were referring to yourself....

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#2544846 20-Aug-2020 00:34

Incidentally from Peters point of view he put the country first. From his point of view if he got more of his agenda into law that is better for the country.

Democracy sucks when you lose but he didn't do anything underhanded or illegal.

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#2544863 20-Aug-2020 06:38

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Democracy sucks when you lose but he didn't do anything underhanded or illegal.

That's for the SFO to decide.

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#2544864 20-Aug-2020 06:40

GV27:
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Democracy sucks when you lose but he didn't do anything underhanded or illegal.

That's for the SFO to decide.

Lol. Are you seriously suggesting he took a bribe to go with Labour?

Besides the SFO don't determine guilt of anything, the courts do.

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#2544869 20-Aug-2020 06:49

networkn:
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Or, that while policy is important to voters, it is less important than character.

Key was the same. He promised no new taxes. Nek minit GST goes up. He connected with the electorate so they kept voting for him.

I think he said tax wouldn't increase right? And with Income tax dropping, net impact was people paid less tax?

Also, let's not forget Coalition said the same thing, then Petrol taxes... Oh wait.. that's a not a "new" tax it's an increase of an existing one.. Technicalities...

If you look at the impact on the government books from the tax swap and not paying into super the net loss was around $1B per annum on the government books. That’s why the asset sales were so important as they helped prop up the books for National.

But remind me again why reducing your tax take, selling 49% of profitable SOEs that return a dividend to the government and not paying into a retirement fund that has consistently out performed the domestic stock market when the tsunami of baby boomers are rapidly approaching retirement is work of “the party of smart fiscal management”

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