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#3148855 18-Oct-2023 14:27

I'm pretty late to finding this thread but I'm pretty excited - I didn't realise we were having an Election this year.

When is it?

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#3148856 18-Oct-2023 14:28

muppet:

I'm pretty late to finding this thread but I'm pretty excited - I didn't realise we were having an Election this year.

When is it?

What? No, we're getting ready for October 2026. Lotta details to thrash out.

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#3148859 18-Oct-2023 14:35

SaltyNZ:

muppet:

I'm pretty late to finding this thread but I'm pretty excited - I didn't realise we were having an Election this year.

When is it?

What? No, we're getting ready for October 2026. Lotta details to thrash out.

Bit soon to judge the effectiveness of leadership and outcomes of policies?

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#3148863 18-Oct-2023 14:43

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Bit soon to judge the effectiveness of leadership and outcomes of policies?

Never too early for reckons. *pushes glasses up nose*

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#3148890 18-Oct-2023 15:59

I am so happy with the result! Christopher Luxon is a good Christian family man, and he is going to get our country back on track.

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#3148892 18-Oct-2023 16:00

alasta:

I am so happy with the result! Christopher Luxon is a good Christian family man, and he is going to get our country back on track.

Also, inflation is already falling, and he's only been in the job since Sunday morning! Is there nothing this man can't do?

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#3148908 18-Oct-2023 16:26

SaltyNZ:

alasta:

I am so happy with the result! Christopher Luxon is a good Christian family man, and he is going to get our country back on track.

Also, inflation is already falling, and he's only been in the job since Sunday morning! Is there nothing this man can't do?

You too made me chuckle out loud, glad I WFH

2017 a poster posted the next day how many Kiwibuild houses hadn't been built in the 18 hours post election result. 100,000 divided by 10 years, calculated down to 18 hours worth!

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#3148930 18-Oct-2023 17:23

I gave my party vote to National for the first time in three elections. Luxon being a Christian or a family man had nothing and should have nothing to do with my decision. Being Christian, a family man or a man is irrelevant.

Here is a crazy notion, lets give peace a chance.

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#3148937 18-Oct-2023 18:14

Hope so. Post-election National has only one MP of pacific islands descent. That seems odd compared to the population of Auckland. On the plus side unlike ACT they don't have a policy of closing the Pacific Ministry so they won't be completely in the dark if they're prepared to listen.

https://pmn.co.nz/read/politics/how-will-a-national-government-represent-pacific-communities

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#3148949 18-Oct-2023 19:06

MikeB4: I gave my party vote to National for the first time in three elections. Luxon being a Christian or a family man had nothing and should have nothing to do with my decision. Being Christian, a family man or a man is irrelevant.

I gave both to Labour. I am a swing voter, at the 2017 election I'd voted National and Labour equally. I've met JK twice as I/we were landlords. I swung in 2017 as ive become sick and tired of no policies, sit on your butt and crow about the surplus. Same deal if you let your house and vehicle go maintenance free, look at my bank account. The future will catch up. And it did. Then when Jacinda and Bill had IIRC the last debate, he was asked about the housing crisis. No words, just a smile. That did me in.

This time around, put the red hat on, they inherited crap. And thats decades of crap from both parties. Housing, infrastructure, health and education. Blue and red should both be ashamed. Its not about us its about the votes, and admittedly you NEED the votes if you wish to make a difference.

Labour

The last three years have been out of their control, so I forgive that. Jacinda Ardern she was great, but only from a crisis viewpoint. Hipkins, last minute appointment, and as we all know Covid Govts have all failed as people were heavily and in some cases massively inconvenienced. Those that lived and are older, may disagree. I rate Hipkins and Robertson as Ive posted before

National

There is a time to be conservative, my past votes said that. This time around we all knew Labour would be rolled. Months ago. I DO NOT rate Luxon or Willis. Had JK and Bill been there, done. Luxon and Willis are amateurs. No clue. But they are a solution to Labour who caused all the ills that we have. Apparently. Thats human nature.

Having said all that, its a clean slate now, no point bitching. Both parties know where we are, and now National can get NZ back on track. If only it was that easy.

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#3149947 18-Oct-2023 20:41

gzt: Hope so. Post-election National has only one MP of pacific islands descent. That seems odd compared to the population of Auckland. On the plus side unlike ACT they don't have a policy of closing the Pacific Ministry so they won't be completely in the dark if they're prepared to listen.

https://pmn.co.nz/read/politics/how-will-a-national-government-represent-pacific-communities

National, ACT and the mix of candidates.

Going back to the revelations of the Simon Bridges, Jamie Le Ross thing about value of candidates.
What money, or money from sponsoring donors different types of candidates bring.

Then there was some funny stuff about candidate selection, with a not preferred by some candidate being sledged on talkback.
By someone else high up in Auckland National hierarchy using a pseudonym?

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/368902/bridges-ross-comments-labelled-ugly-and-racist
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2021/11/a-brief-dive-into-the-national-party-s-recent-troubled-history.html

The whole right wing USA infection of Evangelical Trumplicanism has probably not helped.
Given how much social media, talkback stuff consists of insults from USA with names changed and recycled.

Yeh ACT have Ministry of Pacific Peoples, Human Rights Commission for the axe, gone by lunchtime?

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#3150187 19-Oct-2023 15:20

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/liz-gunn-auckland-airport-scuffle-fresh-appeal-for-security-footage-2-million-votes-comment-was-a-joke/SIKTOFOQ6JAWZHYIVRGTIG6TXU/

Oh, now she says she was joking. Bet her supporters who hung on her every word (and were expecting "1-2 million votes") will absolutely love hearing that. Makes me wonder what else she was "joking" about.

Also: Gunn spoke directly to the judge, saying she had “major rotator cuff damage” after the incident. - I've noticed that she only wears her arm sling selectively, I guess when she wants support. She has made lots of videos, seemingly with her arm perfectly fine, but in the next one she has it on again (those are probably the videos where she's grift...er...asking for "donations").

Gunn, who was called under the name Elizabeth Cooney in court, told the Herald outside she was tired of being labelled as a conspiracy theorist. - then stop saying stupid, misinformation type-crap that makes you look like one! 🙄

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#3150512 20-Oct-2023 15:16

MikeB4: I gave my party vote to National for the first time in three elections. Luxon being a Christian or a family man had nothing and should have nothing to do with my decision. Being Christian, a family man or a man is irrelevant.

It's funny to think that you and I voted for the same party even though you're a politically correct liberal, and I'm a right wing redneck. Cleary one of us voted for the wrong party, or National really is a 'broad church'! 😂

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#3150787 21-Oct-2023 12:52

alasta:

MikeB4: I gave my party vote to National for the first time in three elections. Luxon being a Christian or a family man had nothing and should have nothing to do with my decision. Being Christian, a family man or a man is irrelevant.

It's funny to think that you and I voted for the same party even though you're a politically correct liberal, and I'm a right wing redneck. Cleary one of us voted for the wrong party, or National really is a 'broad church'! 😂

You probably should have then voted for ACT Alasta :-) I did, and don't even consider myself a "redneck" lol.

National is not really a very right-leaning party. NZ elections are won in the center.

As for where National sits on the political scale, I would probably put National in the same place on the political scale as say Aus Labor which its not actually very left-leaning either. ACT would probably line up with Nationals/Liberal here in Aus.

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#3151008 22-Oct-2023 07:16

@alasta my vote was more a vote for change. I felt that for the last18 months Aotearoa has felt like headless chook and heading towards chaos. I don't believe Chris Hipkins had the ability to lead the country with an increasingly talentless team.

Here is a crazy notion, lets give peace a chance.

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