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#30649 13-Mar-2006 22:52

Havent yet seen any comment from the media on this or a reaction from ihug or slingshot. I found this very surprising given the intense level of scrutiny TNZ have had lately over broadband speeds, will be interesting to see what new ways ihug et al can devise to show this as a bad thing for NZ

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#31027 19-Mar-2006 16:52

alasta:
DanDotNet: I think caps will really be the big issue, and hopefully you - tonyh - are right about the fact that they will be ~40Gb, it wouldn't make much sense to have super high speeds with super low caps.

Why? Assuming that you're talking about personal rather than business use, how could you possibly use anywhere near 40Gb and still have a life beyond The Internet?

Using the net for personal reasons, 40Gb a month is nothing in my opinion....
The best Ive done is download 11Gb in one day, all movies.....
I'm a heavy user, and I find Ihug the best for me due to the large bandwidth quota packages you can choose....up to 80gb per month with tolls, 40gb without, and then they can either clip your speed after after breaking that quota to 56Kb, or charge ya per gig after, at your choice ....
Thats using Ihug 2mb ADSL plan....between $70-$100 per month, depending.
But I find that still is not enough.
Fast speeds are good, but I agree with others its all going to depend on:
1) The price
2) The data cap
And with the prices just being released for the 3.5MB plans, which arnt cheaper, I dont imagine the price for 24MB being cheap/cost effective for any time soon.
Also with the data caps, they havent changed with Telecoms new plans, so I dont foresee any great progress there either

But who knows, no one expected this 24MB plan rollout so soon, after just announcing the 3.5MB plans...

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#31028 19-Mar-2006 17:14

Using the net for personal reasons, 40Gb a month is nothing in my opinion....
The best Ive done is download 11Gb in one day, all movies.....

We have three computers at home, and three Pocket PCs with wi-fi. We use the Internet access for fun, and for work, and we don't use more than 15GB a month.

I don't think "personal use" includes downloading movies. This is the exception. Providers will create plans that have appeal to home users, not people downloading movies. For this people ISPs should arrange a plan with a larger allowance, differentiated with a higher price, or charge per GB after a certain limit.

I think 40GB is reasonable, until we have movie downloads/rentals over the Internet (not illegal file sharing of content). In this case I think this should be bumped up to 200GB or 300GB, which should be enough for about 30 movies, which is pretty much more than any person could watch without having a life.

This should be bumped up to 1TB if IPTV is an option on the package.

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#31029 19-Mar-2006 17:31

freitasm:
I don't think "personal use" includes downloading movies. This is the exception. Providers will create plans that have appeal to home users, not people downloading movies. For this people ISPs should arrange a plan with a larger allowance, differentiated with a higher price, or charge per GB after a certain limit.

I think 40GB is reasonable, until we have movie downloads/rentals over the Internet (not illegal file sharing of content). In this case I think this should be bumped up to 200GB or 300GB, which should be enough for about 30 movies, which is pretty much more than any person could watch without having a life.

Who said anything about illegal file sharing of content?

Anyway the reality is personal home computer users are downloading movies, music and programs for private use, paid for, shareware, freely distributed movies, podcasts, webcams. webtv, radio streams....shall I go on
Yes there are those downloading copyrighted content, but thats not my point.

40GB goes nowhere in the age of online entertainment, thats reality.

Quotas must go!

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#31030 19-Mar-2006 17:44

And, again - legal or not someone still has to pay to get the data carried from the US. Data doesn't grow on trees it travels down expensive undersea cables. That is why I find it difficult to understand how NZ can be compared to the US for broadband pricing.

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#31035 19-Mar-2006 19:27

TheBartender: Who said anything about illegal file sharing of content?

Because your original post was "download 11Gb in one day, all movies" I think it is fair to try and understand where the average consumer will find entertainment these days. Currently there are not many (if any) movie distributor on-line that will allow downloads from outside this country into New Zealand.

They limit their clients in a geographical basis, because of licensing. While there are legal download of movies (which is what your post was referring to), this is not the majority of mainstream providers available to consumers. Not to say that someone is not downloading alternative movies, fringe festival, etc, but I can hardly believe it is the profile of most on-line users these days.

Jama: And, again - legal or not someone still has to pay to get the data carried from the US. Data doesn't grow on trees it travels down expensive undersea cables. That is why I find it difficult to understand how NZ can be compared to the US for broadband pricing.

Come on Jama. It is not like the Southern Cross cable is operating at full capacity. There is bandwidth to spare on that cable, the owners just want to charge more for the traffic so they can have a return faster. Easy economics, right? It wouldn't hurt make traffic a bit cheaper in New Zealand, with a couple of years wait for 100% return on the investment. But greed is on the way, right?

So, I disagree with TheBartender because eliminating quotas in the current landscape will most likely increase the price to consumer, and why should average Joe pay for someone downloading movies all day?

I also disagree with Jama because the traffic is available, and it is a case of time, like airplanes: an airplane only makes money if it is flying. Waiting in airports is loss. Using the cable makes money, limiting what people can do and not using the cable is a loss of money.

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#31037 19-Mar-2006 19:43

freitasm: So, I disagree with TheBartender because eliminating quotas in the current landscape will most likely increase the price to consumer, and why should average Joe pay for someone downloading movies all day?

They wont
I imagine there would still be the same structure there is now...
Currently, people can connect to the net for as low as $9.95 per month....yes its slow
They can get speeds of 2MB per sec for as little as $29.95 at my last look, yes with a small quota
Or they can have top speed with a huge quota and pay far more for it.....
Those who want more data, or uncapped, pay more
Those who dont need much, dont pay much
So the average joe will not be paying for someone downloading movies all day.
Its simple really, you get what you pay for....

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#31044 19-Mar-2006 20:31

I agree with Mauricio that removing qoutas could result in pushing prices up. If there is no bandwidth qouta many of us could easily go way over what we do with qoutas so you would easily end up with an abuse of the services... I think the problem is is that the plans available at present are not very flexible to match all users (there is a broadband forum now to discuss plans if anyone is keen...)

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#31046 19-Mar-2006 20:34

Exactly my point - thanks!

And if the discussion will divert from ADSL2, then please use the Broadband forum.

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#31047 19-Mar-2006 20:38

I read somewhere that the NGN network would be around 24mbps which is around the speed of ADSL2.

Is ADSL2 supposed to compete or complement the 'NGN'? Or is NGN just a buzzword for technologies like ADSL2?

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#31050 19-Mar-2006 20:46

NGN is not ADSL2. It's a platform of services and technologies providing enhanced digital communications services covering voice, multimedia, data:

"A Next Generation Network (NGN) is a packet-based network able to provide services including Telecommunication Services and able to make use of multiple broadband, QoS-enabled transport technologies and in which service-related functions are independent from underlying transport-related technologies. It offers unrestricted access by users to different service providers. It supports generalized mobility which will allow consistent and ubiquitous provision of services to users".

http://www.itu.int/ITU-T/studygroups/com13/ngn2004/working_definition.html

In essence ADSL2 enables NGN, but it is not the same thing.

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#31427 24-Mar-2006 17:12

Finally press release on this topic. "Next Generation Broadband"24mbps. Thats nice except its not coming to Dunedin in the near future

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