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Topic # 6997 10-Mar-2006 21:42

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We are getting ADSL2 in just a few months...

Awesome.

Lets discuss it.... (surely the new hot topic???)

Hopefully I scooped this one with http://www.geekzone.co.nz/content.asp?contentid=6018

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Reply # 30468 10-Mar-2006 22:43

Question is:

The ADSL plans offered until recently didn't really push the limit of ADSL that much, how will ADSL2 change things?

Will the silly data caps and low upload rates be increased or in the case of the data caps removed.

Is this supposed to replace or complement their 'NGN', since it offers a similar rate?

In the case of ADSL, I am with Orcon solely because of the fact that it has no data cap, sure it has a slightly lower speed than other offers but I find the 10gb cap on many 'flat rate' plans backwards.

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Reply # 30476 11-Mar-2006 01:58

About time i say! Although i do feel a little concern, i can imagine Telecom wanting to charge $150 or more a month for 24Mbs. But i think this is a step not too many people were expecting in the near future, dont care if people say its just TNZ's way to avoid regualtion because the threats have obviously worked and i guess it now negates the need for LLU.

I guess they will start rolling it out in Auckland and leave us in the deep south waiting for a long time. It was 3 or 4 years after the launched Jetstream before we could get it, hopefully that doesnt happen this time. Fingers crossed

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Reply # 30480 11-Mar-2006 07:12

I agree re pricing - its bound to be out of reach to most at first. Telecom will be wanting to pay for their new investment.

I'm on ihug so I wont be expecting to see ADSL2 for some time yet and unless the price is do-able I wont be going back to Xtra.

As far as rollout - I connect via the Wellington central exchange which I would guess to be one of the first to rollout.

Any speed increase would be good but I still think that we will need LLU to allow other ISP's access on an equal footing.

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Reply # 30483 11-Mar-2006 08:08

Also I think a lot of old modems and routers would need to be upgraded to get the full 24mbps speed.

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Reply # 30484 11-Mar-2006 09:01

Unlikely that -anyone- is actually gonna get 24Mbps, more like 8, 10 ,12 or 14.
New modem required in most cases.

I was talking with Mauricio last night, and I expect telecom will increase caps dramatically with the launch of ADSL2, again, to stave off LLU.

They would probably launch with a 40GB cap option... (speculation on my part)

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Reply # 30487 11-Mar-2006 09:25

And also having to be closer to the exchange than is required with current ADSL to get the higher speeds...

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Reply # 30488 11-Mar-2006 09:30

tonyhughes: Unlikely that -anyone- is actually gonna get 24Mbps, more like 8, 10 ,12 or 14.
New modem required in most cases.

I was talking with Mauricio last night, and I expect telecom will increase caps dramatically with the launch of ADSL2, again, to stave off LLU.

They would probably launch with a 40GB cap option... (speculation on my part)

I'm sure there will be a few people who will get excited about the thought of 10-20Mbps speed and a ~40Gb data cap but, as someone who only uses 1.5Gb per month, I'm far more interested in getting a basic service at a much lower price. To me, the advantage of Woosh is that I can avoid Telecom's $40 line charge so unless I can get some form of ADSL (even if it's only 500kbps and capped at 2Gb) with ISP charges below $20, I can't see myself getting excited about any new technology that Telecom may have to offer.

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Reply # 30501 11-Mar-2006 22:59

I think caps will really be the big issue, and hopefully you - tonyh - are right about the fact that they will be ~40Gb, it wouldn't make much sense to have super high speeds with super low caps. Yet if you look at the current plans, there are ones where you get a 1M speed with 1Gb cap!! and a 256k speed with a 3Gb cap and then for the better stuff the prices jump relatively.

Similarly with the April new plans, what exactly would you do with a 3.5M line speed and a 1Gb cap, that really doesnt give you much option of utilizing the connection speed.

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Reply # 30502 11-Mar-2006 23:36

DanDotNet: I think caps will really be the big issue, and hopefully you - tonyh - are right about the fact that they will be ~40Gb, it wouldn't make much sense to have super high speeds with super low caps.

Why? Assuming that you're talking about personal rather than business use, how could you possibly use anywhere near 40Gb and still have a life beyond The Internet?

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Reply # 30503 11-Mar-2006 23:43

I used 10gb in a 8 days without really trying.... and it pretty much the machine is downloading over night.

There is plenty of content out there which makes for interesting watching/listening.

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Reply # 30513 12-Mar-2006 05:24

Yip , watch an hour or so of decent quality video, download the lastest build of your favourite OS, a GB or two of new legal MP3s, check your email, let the kids play some online games, some skype calls, and there is GB after GB gone gone gone....

It really adds up for some of us.

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Reply # 30520 12-Mar-2006 08:37

Or those of us with MSDN subscriptions and an unhealthy addiction to grabbing the latest 64bit Vista builds (3.7Gigs a piece) as they come out :D

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Reply # 30558 12-Mar-2006 16:17

alasta:
DanDotNet: I think caps will really be the big issue, and hopefully you - tonyh - are right about the fact that they will be ~40Gb, it wouldn't make much sense to have super high speeds with super low caps.

Why? Assuming that you're talking about personal rather than business use, how could you possibly use anywhere near 40Gb and still have a life beyond The Internet?

Well as mentioned in some of the other replies, if you watch regular videos (Webcasts+Presentations ...etc) which I would like to do regularly but cant coz of my current cap, you do consume lots of bandwidth... and yet another thing, if you're an MSDN subscriber and want to download things like Windows Vista, Visual Studio and so on, these will easily take much of your cap allowance.

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Reply # 30560 12-Mar-2006 16:57

Another point I can make about needing a decent data cap is that we have 5 adults across 2 households on our network, and we are at our limit now, and wanting more data...

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Reply # 30575 13-Mar-2006 08:46

There was a letter to the Ed last week from a guy who downloads 800GB p/month via Citylink. He is on an 'unlimited' plan for $120 p/month. If he is getting most of this content (or whatever) from the US Citylink are losing money big time.

Even if Citylink were paying 20cents a gig (unlikely) it is costing them $160 p/month.

The fact of the matter is that most of the data/content we all get comes from offshore and that costs money.

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