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# 40570 31-Aug-2009 16:51
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Just saw it on VDFN's web site... but can not find any further info about this... any one knows? maybe links... when I click on banner - redirected to txt2000 page with no further info on the advertised deal.

 




 

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  # 251991 31-Aug-2009 16:53
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that's what the deal is, txt2000. VF is simply saying spend $10 on txt2000 every month and you will in return receive $400 worth (2000) texts to other VF mobiles for free...




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  # 251996 31-Aug-2009 17:00

Also:

The average Best Mate customer spends $6 but gets $375 worth of calling and TXTing.

And:

The average Family group spends $20 but gets $400 worth of calling and TXTing.

Those are averages of course - YMMV.

Basically we've done a pretty poor job of explaining how much value there is in these things so we're changing the way we talk about them. I think your post (grandparent post) is evidence of that.

We say TXT2000 and nobody cares. We say spend $10 and get $400 worth of TXTing and someone wants to know more.

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  # 251998 31-Aug-2009 17:03
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alright, so this is just the INFO of "real"/retail value of TXT2000 for end customer? no promo, no nothing?

thanks any way.




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  # 252004 31-Aug-2009 17:33
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sorry but thats one of the biggest hospital passes i've seen... on average $375 worth of billing per month!!! i know thats not what they're paying now but you're still trying to equate it to pricing that is outrageous. These "savings" are in reality only adjustments to what the rest of the world are paying, but you're still failing especially on data plans.

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  # 252013 31-Aug-2009 17:55

Our mobile data has some of the best pricing anywhere in the world for 3G data.

For example, on our 3GB plan you get 3GB of data for $70/month. Add another 3GB for $10, meaning you get 6GB of data for $80/month.

That's on a par with many fixed line services in New Zealand.

The savings we're talking about in the ad campaign referred to are similar to what you would see in Australia with the Aussie pricing structure. They break out all the value and tell you about it. That's what we're doing here. Quite how that's "outrageous" is beyond me.

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  # 252015 31-Aug-2009 18:00
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kobiak: alright, so this is just the INFO of "real"/retail value of TXT2000 for end customer? no promo, no nothing?

thanks any way.

Very clear explanation that it refers to a product called TXT2000, that is most definitely 'something' compared to pay-per-text on a casual basis.







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  # 252035 31-Aug-2009 19:13
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PaulBrislen: Also:

The average Best Mate customer spends $6 but gets $375 worth of calling and TXTing.

And:

The average Family group spends $20 but gets $400 worth of calling and TXTing.

Those are averages of course - YMMV.

Basically we've done a pretty poor job of explaining how much value there is in these things so we're changing the way we talk about them. I think your post (grandparent post) is evidence of that.

We say TXT2000 and nobody cares. We say spend $10 and get $400 worth of TXTing and someone wants to know more.

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Whats the use of having a cellphone unless you can call all networks.Why get financially penalised for making a off net call. If it is so cheap to make a on net call it just proves the nett cost of terminating a off net call is negligible.

 
 
 
 


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  # 252044 31-Aug-2009 20:08
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PaulBrislen: Also:

Those are averages of course - YMMV.

We say TXT2000 and nobody cares. We say spend $10 and get $400 worth of TXTing and someone wants to know more.

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I'd say this is misleading, because if you sent 2000 texts on 2 degrees, it would only cost you $180, not $400.  


Not wanting to exclusively bag Vodafone, Telecom needs to update their signage instore.  Yes, I know that a 65 second call costs significantly less than Vodafone, but it costs even less on 2 degrees.


I accept that Bestmates gives excellent value for money, but apart from that, I feel like I am getting ripped off, hence the 2 degrees sim I carry around.

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  # 252047 31-Aug-2009 20:21

@ajw, you aren't penalised for calling off net, you're rewarded for calling on net.

Show me any company that doesn't reward you for spending more with that same company.

Insurance - if you take out your home, contents and car insurance with the same provider you get a discount across the three. Banking - if you do all your banking with one company you get a discount on fees etc. Fixed line - get voice and broadband with one company, you get a discount off both services.

It's the same thing. I've never understood why it's OK in just about every other type of business (including my local cafe where I buy ten coffees and get one free - but I have to buy them all from the one place! ZOMG!) but not OK in the mobile sector.

@timestyles - I think you'll find we're comparing Vodafone pricing with Vodafone pricing. We don't control what 2D offers. I happen to think 9c/TXT is very expensive. I pay a lot less than that (Best Mate accounts for most of them and that's capped at $6/month).

And as for the cost of making a call - the average call on Vodafone costs 21c/minute. That's what you pay. We don't have it as a headline rate - the value's in the bundle, which is why we're now telling you what each bundle is worth (cf grandparent post) because up till now we've never bothered. A mistake on our part I would suggest as there are lots of people who don't understand how much they are saving on any given plan (eg Jonathan who posts here and moved away before realising just how much he saved with Family).

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Problem tho with getting better value on-net is you can't control the choice of your friends/family on what Mobile Network they decide to use. Hence its basically worth while having a phone for each network so you get the best value when using it.

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  # 252050 31-Aug-2009 20:42
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If you want a cup of coffee from your coffee shop do they make you buy it off them for the next 2 years?

Seriously though, It wouldn't be so bad if it was easier to tell who was on what network (like the old days) but realistically who is going to text the number to 300 before sending every text? The industry is a mess

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  # 252059 31-Aug-2009 21:17
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PaulBrislen: 

And as for the cost of making a call - the average call on Vodafone costs 21c/minute. That's what you pay. We don't have it as a headline rate - the value's in the bundle, which is why we're now telling you what each bundle is worth (cf grandparent post) because up till now we've never bothered. A mistake on our part I would suggest as there are lots of people who don't understand how much they are saving on any given plan (eg Jonathan who posts here and moved away before realising just how much he saved with Family).

Cheers

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Yes, the average call on Vodafone costs 21c/min.  Now, let's pretend that everybody in NZ had a 2 degrees sim and spent at least $20 a month with 2 degrees.  In that case, everybody would be paying 22c/min for calls, about the same what Vodafone is charging.  


However, this is for 2 degrees prepay.  On contract calls would likely be less due to the higher spending, so I'd expect that the Vodafone average would be pulled downwards because of that.  


In case anyone dislikes my system of pretending what all of NZ uses, about 5 years ago VF brought out a new contract plan where everyone in a group had unlimited calling to each other for $40 a month.  Suppose everyone in NZ were in that, that's $40 a month for basically free calls to everybody.  I'd say that's value for money.


BTW, I appreciate the fact that you are out there, promoting your company (especially at 8pm).  As time goes on, and 2 degrees releases their contract plans, I expect there will be a lot less complaining about the pricing for VF and Telecom due to people knowing there is real competition in NZ.

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# 252060 31-Aug-2009 21:20
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Ham: If you want a cup of coffee from your coffee shop do they make you buy it off them for the next 2 years?



You still can get both bestmate and text 2000 on prepaid, no contract required.




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  # 252077 31-Aug-2009 22:31
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Then you get ripped when you call telecom or 2deg.. you can't win.

As I said, It's a mess

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  # 252085 31-Aug-2009 23:52
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PaulBrislen:
Insurance - if you take out your home, contents and car insurance with the same provider you get a discount across the three. Banking - if you do all your banking with one company you get a discount on fees etc. Fixed line - get voice and broadband with one company, you get a discount off both services.

It's the same thing. I've never understood why it's OK in just about every other type of business (including my local cafe where I buy ten coffees and get one free - but I have to buy them all from the one place! ZOMG!) but not OK in the mobile sector.


It's not the same thing, it's disingenuous to pretend that it is.

You are paying more depending on who you call or text, even though you are still spending all your money with Vodafone.  You might have a point if you could buy a texting service from Telecom and a calling service from Vodafone on the same phone.  Much like you can get contents and house insurance from different providers.

Now if insurance was more like cell phone companies, imagine if you made a claim because you crashed your car and you are at fault.  Imagine if the insurance company decided to charge a larger excess if the other person you crashed into had a different insurance company... 

You could have come up with some banking and internet analogies that actually make your point, but you haven't done that. I suspect though if you did people would see that the majority of value from those services doesn't depend on the internal use freebies/discounts.

The coffee one is actually more of an analogy for XT prepaid top ups (buy some get some free)...




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