channel bonded adsl ?

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#111217 27-Oct-2012 17:04

So i have called most ISP's today and them seem to know nothing.

so the big question is does any one offer "channel bonded adsl" ?

Are any ISP looking at it?

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#707526 27-Oct-2012 17:11

It's not offered as a commercial service by Chorus.

Nothing stopping bonding multiple DSL circuits together however, and there are easy ways for ISP's to do this depending on the gear they're running to terminate the connections.

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#707533 27-Oct-2012 17:28

I doubt you will see this in NZ in anytime in the near future

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#707565 27-Oct-2012 18:43

Is that not what an HSNS connection is essentially? The higher speed HSNS circuits are 4-wire and use two ports. Is that what is meant by 'channel bonding'?
If you just want a bit more bandwidth at home just get a second adsl connection and run them through a router that can load balance. pfsense makes it fairly easy to do that. I use it to load balance between a wireless connection and adsl and works really well. Also means that failover is automatic if one of the connections was to go down.

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#707580 27-Oct-2012 19:21

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#707724 28-Oct-2012 08:22

chevrolux: Is that not what an HSNS connection is essentially? The higher speed HSNS circuits are 4-wire and use two ports. Is that what is meant by 'channel bonding'?
If you just want a bit more bandwidth at home just get a second adsl connection and run them through a router that can load balance. pfsense makes it fairly easy to do that. I use it to load balance between a wireless connection and adsl and works really well. Also means that failover is automatic if one of the connections was to go down.

I was after the speed.

We are stuck on adsl with a max speed of 5mbps down and 0.7mbps up.
Its good for where we are but i would like faster seeing as i'm working from home.

If you look at a map and look up Gebbies Valley you will see where i'm at.
We dont get Cell coverage so i think we will be out of luck with the RBI system.
The out look for the next 5 years seems to be you have adsl thats it.

I'm going to call Vodafone tomorrow and see if they are do a "HSNS connection".

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#707727 28-Oct-2012 08:26

You are working off old ADSL hardware if you can only get ADSL1 so providing HSNS might not be possible

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#707737 28-Oct-2012 08:47

CADMAX:
chevrolux: Is that not what an HSNS connection is essentially? The higher speed HSNS circuits are 4-wire and use two ports. Is that what is meant by 'channel bonding'?
If you just want a bit more bandwidth at home just get a second adsl connection and run them through a router that can load balance. pfsense makes it fairly easy to do that. I use it to load balance between a wireless connection and adsl and works really well. Also means that failover is automatic if one of the connections was to go down.

I was after the speed.

We are stuck on adsl with a max speed of 5mbps down and 0.7mbps up.
Its good for where we are but i would like faster seeing as i'm working from home.

If you look at a map and look up Gebbies Valley you will see where i'm at.
We dont get Cell coverage so i think we will be out of luck with the RBI system.
The out look for the next 5 years seems to be you have adsl thats it.

I'm going to call Vodafone tomorrow and see if they are do a "HSNS connection".

If your ADSL2+ sync rate is that poor at the very most you'll probably only get a 1Mbps 2 wire HSNS connection - that is of course assuming the gear you're on supports HSNS.

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#707802 28-Oct-2012 11:02

HSNS is a business grade product with a strong SLA and therefore costs a couple of dollars more than normal connections. I think you will find it isn't really a product you have at home due to cost. The best thing HSNS does is give symmetrical speeds but is still a DSL connection at the end of the day so if you only get 5Mbps down at the moment the best you will probably get is around a 1-2Mbps HSNS connection provided the exchange/cabinet supports it. Although I don't see any reason why you couldn't get a 4-wire connection to achieve those higher speeds but I would think the top you wold see is around 5. Again though, find out what it costs and you will change your mind rather quickly lol.

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#707805 28-Oct-2012 11:08

chevrolux: HSNS is a business grade product with a strong SLA and therefore costs a couple of dollars more than normal connections. I think you will find it isn't really a product you have at home due to cost. The best thing HSNS does is give symmetrical speeds but is still a DSL connection at the end of the day so if you only get 5Mbps down at the moment the best you will probably get is around a 1-2Mbps HSNS connection provided the exchange/cabinet supports it. Although I don't see any reason why you couldn't get a 4-wire connection to achieve those higher speeds but I would think the top you wold see is around 5. Again though, find out what it costs and you will change your mind rather quickly lol.

The slowest 4wire connection if 2mbps, and that requires 31dB attenuation. I would suspect the OP is above that based upon the speeds they are getting. 5Mbps requires 15dB atteunation.

It's all a moot point anyway as the chances of equipment being available to provide HSNS there is probably about as likely as finding a unicorn in your travels today.

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#707893 28-Oct-2012 13:58

johnr: You are working off old ADSL hardware if you can only get ADSL1 so providing HSNS might not be possible

We are on ADSL1 or old stuff :P

I'm working from home till we find offices around Lincoln in Canterbury that 1( we can afford 2( are in the right place.

I think would be happy with a 50% up in fees to cover it, If it was say 200% then i would have to think about it.

My main issue is all most every time i use my sure signal i have to stop outlook syncing or i lose 50% of my phone call and it ends up like bad voip

I spend all most all day on my cell, so its a big issue for me.

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#707906 28-Oct-2012 14:06

Didn't Chorus trial bonded ADSL in Taranaki area a few years back. It was to extend the reach of DSL out to about 8km+. Anything ever come of that?

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#707949 28-Oct-2012 15:28

CADMAX:
johnr: You are working off old ADSL hardware if you can only get ADSL1 so providing HSNS might not be possible

We are on ADSL1 or old stuff :P

I'm working from home till we find offices around Lincoln in Canterbury that 1( we can afford 2( are in the right place.

I think would be happy with a 50% up in fees to cover it, If it was say 200% then i would have to think about it.

My main issue is all most every time i use my sure signal i have to stop outlook syncing or i lose 50% of my phone call and it ends up like bad voip

I spend all most all day on my cell, so its a big issue for me.

If this is the issue, would load balancing it yourself per connection help here then?

If the suresignal can manage fine with a line which isn't congested with things like outlook, then a load balancing router that sends connections over the least congested link, or even dedicating specific traffic types per link?
It won't give you the same peak download speeds of a proper bonded setup of course but might help with the issue.

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eXDee:
CADMAX:
johnr: You are working off old ADSL hardware if you can only get ADSL1 so providing HSNS might not be possible

We are on ADSL1 or old stuff :P

I'm working from home till we find offices around Lincoln in Canterbury that 1( we can afford 2( are in the right place.

I think would be happy with a 50% up in fees to cover it, If it was say 200% then i would have to think about it.

My main issue is all most every time i use my sure signal i have to stop outlook syncing or i lose 50% of my phone call and it ends up like bad voip

I spend all most all day on my cell, so its a big issue for me.

If this is the issue, would load balancing it yourself per connection help here then?

If the suresignal can manage fine with a line which isn't congested with things like outlook, then a load balancing router that sends connections over the least congested link, or even dedicating specific traffic types per link?
It won't give you the same peak download speeds of a proper bonded setup of course but might help with the issue.

And setting up some QoS on the router to prioritise the VoIP and reduce priority for ports 110 (receiving pop3 email) and 25 (sending email) or whatever ports you need that are causing problems. One interesting thing is that email servers are pretty patient and don't mind slowing down too much, so they should handle a lower QoS on your router quite ok. Set the QoS priority instead of actual rate limits, which tends to slow down the whole router a bit unless you have a grunty pfSense one.

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#712108 5-Nov-2012 10:50

CADMAX:
We are on ADSL1 or old stuff :P

HSNS is only avalable on the newer ISAMS not ASAMS and it sounds like your on a ASAM

CADMAX:
I think would be happy with a 50% up in fees to cover it, If it was say 200% then i would have to think about it.

I think you will find its around 200-300% increase depending on what your currently paying for.

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#712110 5-Nov-2012 10:59

CADMAX: I think would be happy with a 50% up in fees to cover it, If it was say 200% then i would have to think about it.

I asked Telecom about HSNS approximately 6 months ago and from memory the cheapest option was 5 Mb/s at $700/month.

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